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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    Perhaps you can explain why you are whining and crying about the US securing over $250 BILLION in deals on this trip.

    This guy can't get anything right? Nobody can get so much wrong (FAIL) this much and still function, can THEY? (The poster folks, not to mention TRUMP!)


    Keep in mind folks, how many of these deals were EXECUTED well before the 'deal maker' made into office! You know, like under OBAMA?? And NONE were new business! No matter how much TRUMP LIES about it! From the Commerce Department. (Or in other words, thanks BARACK).

    “All of this suggests that there may not be much President Trump can add to the avalanche of arms
    already in the pipeline,” Mr. Hartung said. “But that won’t keep him from taking credit
    for deals that were concluded before he took office.”


    The highlights (the non-salesman's version)

    Examining Trump’s Asia Deals That He Says Are Worth Billions

    By LINDA QIUNOV. 10, 2017 NY Times

    WASHINGTON — President Trump advertised his deal-making prowess during his Asia trip this week, claiming to have struck economic, energy and military trade agreements with Japan, South Korea and China worth billions of dollars.

    Whatever bill of goods Mr. Trump is selling, his claims require more context.

    In the latest claim, issued on Friday, the White House released two statements saying the United States and China “signed trade and investment deals worth more than $250 billion” while Mr. Trump was in Beijing.

    ...However, the Commerce Department’s breakdown of the $250 billion package includes several items that are not guaranteed to proceed — like an $8 billion natural gas project and $83 billion in shale development projects. Both were agreed to in nonbinding memorandums of understanding.

    ...The Commerce Department’s breakdown also lists a $38 billion agreement for Boeing to supply China with 300 aircraft, which is in line with its 20-year forecast; and $2.2 billion in sales from General Motors to S.A.I.C., a large automaker in China that has a joint venture with G.M.

    Earlier, in Seoul, Mr. Trump touted similar deals with South Korea that he said will bring jobs to the United States and reduce the trade deficit. “They’ll be ordering billions of dollars’ worth of equipment, and we’ve already approved some of those orders,” he said in a Nov. 7 joint news conference with President Moon Jae-in.

    ...Out of more than three dozen countries that have signed agreements with the United States this year
    , none were first-time buyers. The United States offered other countries $722 billion worth of arms between 1950 and 2016.That includes $12.6 billion to Japan and $18.1 billion to South Korea during the Obama administration.

    ...In September, Mr. Trump gave “in-principle” and “conceptual approval” for South Korea to purchase missile defense systems and other weapons from the United States. But it is unclear whether South Korea or Japan told Mr. Trump they would buy more American equipment during his visits.''

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    Congress was notified of Japan’s request to purchase 42 F-35’s in
    May 2012. The first four planes were manufactured in Fort Worth, Texas, but
    the remaining 38 are being assembled in Japan. That raises doubt about Mr. Trump’s claims that the deal would bring “a lot of jobs for us.”

    ...“We’re acquiring equipment for the Self-Defense Forces, as planned in the National Defense Program Guidelines and the Medium-Term Defense Program,” Mr. Suga said. The midterm program, which calls for buying F-35 fighters, guided missiles and Aegis-equipped destroyers through 2018, was approved more than three years before Mr. Trump took office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    The 2017 U.S. CEO Delegation to China deals:
    Air Products (APD) Air Products and Yankuang Group Co., Ltd. – $3.5 billion
    The State of Alaska, Alaska Gasline Development Corporation (AGDC), China Petrochemical Corp (Sinopec), China Investment Corporation (CIC), and Bank of China (BOC) – $43 billion.
    Archer Daniels Midland Company (ADM) and COFCO
    Bell and Reignwood signed an agreement for 60 Bell 505s, valued at $50 million.
    Boeing and China Aviation Supplies Holding Company -- $38 billion.
    Caterpillar Inc, and China Energy Investment Corp
    Cheniere Energy and China National Petroleum
    Dais Analytic Gouanrui (Beijing) Technology Co., Ltd
    Delfin Midstream and China Gas Holdings – $8 billion
    Digit group and Gateguard – $100 million
    Digit group and Foton – $310 million
    Digit Group and HeDa Group – $1.5 billion
    The Dow Chemical Company
    Dow and Mobike
    Drylet, LLC and Nanjing Hoyo Municipal Utilities Investment and Administration Group – $100 million
    GE and Juneyao Airlines – $1.4 billion
    GE and ICBC – $1.1 billion
    GE and China Datang Group – $1 billion
    Goldman Sachs China Investment Corporation ("CIC") – $5 billion
    Honeywell and Oriental Energy
    Honeywell and Spring Airlines
    I. M. Systems Group, Inc. (IMSG) and Civil Aviation Telecom Co., Ltd.
    Qualcomm and Xiaomi, Oppo and Vivo – $12 billion
    SAS and Shenzhen Zhenghong Technology Co. Ltd. – $30 million
    Stine Seed China and Beijing W. Seed – $10 million
    TEREX and Xuzhou Handler – $250 million
    Thermo Fisher Scientific, Beijing Municipal Commission of Science and Technology, Tsinghua University, Beijing Novogene Bioinformatics Technology Co., Ltd, and Innovent Biologics (Suzhou) Co., Ltd – $35 million
    U.S. Soybean Export Council (USSEC) and the China Chamber of Commerce for Import and Export of Foodstuffs, Native Produce and Animal By-products (CFNA) – $3.4 billion
    Viroment and Hangzhou Iron and Steel – $800 million
    Viroment and Guangye Guangdong Environmental Protection Group, Co, LTD. – $100 million
    Westinghouse Electric Company, Nuclear Power Technology Company (SNPTC) and subsidiaries, State Nuclear Power Engineering Corporation (SNPEC) and State Nuclear Power Automation & Engineering Company (SNPAS)
    Non delegation deals:
    American Ethane and Nanshan Group – $25 billion
    Ford Trading Company LLC. And Ford Motor (China) Ltd. – $10 billion
    GM and SAIC-GM – $2.2 billion.
    The Montana Stockgrowers signed and Jingdong Century Trade Company (JD.com) – $200 million. Smithfield Food Inc.
    Smithfield Food Inc and Jingdong Century Trade Company (JD.com) – $1 billion.
    The state of West Virginia and Shenhua corporation – $83 billion
    See a descriptions of the major deals struck in China below:



    TOTAL: $250 billion
    NO SOURCES, who needs them??

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    How was the Trump administration critical in the Montana Stockgrowers deal? Why did they need Trump?
    He left off a source. ANY source!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    NO SOURCES, who needs them??
    Already post.

    Derp!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Proudly. You got anything else or just gonna throw out the label and quit?
    *crickets*

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    How was the Trump administration critical in the Montana Stockgrowers deal? Why did they need Trump?
    Ask them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    Ask them.
    You're somehow more captured by administration propaganda than Trump was by Glorious Strongman Boss Leader President Xi.

    Please don't present your relative to sing Wilbur Ross' praises, that'll just be weird.

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    Trump= a fucking moron. He has no clue that the state department that he is underfunding and understaffing goes a long way in making international business deals between governments months in advance. He thinks these countries actually wait to make deals when the leaders get together. The meetings are just photo ops. Did he really think pulling out of trade agreements would give the US leverage? Diplomacy and trade go hand and hand=Trump is a fucking moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    You're somehow more captured by administration propaganda than Trump was by Glorious Strongman Boss Leader President Xi.

    Please don't present your relative to sing Wilbur Ross' praises, that'll just be weird.
    I'm sure that gibberish made sense to you echoing around in your head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tedminator View Post
    Seems a bit silly tho trying to sell F18 jets to Vietnam. They canít afford that at the moment.
    No problem, we not only sell weapons, we will finance the sales.

    While most of the top importers use their own money to buy arms from the U.S., the U.S. also provides some countries with grants and loans -- separate from the arms sales -- to purchase defense equipment from American manufacturers, as part of a program called Foreign Military Financing.

    Here's who buys the most weapons from the U.S. - CNNPolitics
    Thanks from Tedminator

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