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    It's not up to me. At some point the folks doing the manning will have to chose where they prefer to be short. It's not magic, it's just effective management.
    see post 29

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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Greenbean View Post
    where did you get the info that most reservists want to go active?
    Please provide a quote where I said that. Thanks.

    can you cite that? most reservists join because they have a civilian career or want to pay for school.
    Folks join for all sorts of reasons. It's pointless to try to pin down why thousands of people did something.

    you cant just take reservists and plant them in active numbers without a contingency plan for your missing MOSQ slots!
    Sure you can. If you have missing billets in the reserves that just means that someone isn't being trained to backfill an active billet. The impact is much less than having an active billet unfilled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    Please provide a quote where I said that. Thanks.



    Folks join for all sorts of reasons. It's pointless to try to pin down why thousands of people did something.



    Sure you can. If you have missing billets in the reserves that just means that someone isn't being trained to backfill an active billet. The impact is much less than having an active billet unfilled.
    you lose 3 E3s to an active conditional release in a transpo unit, and the 3 you lost are MP slots (many reserve transpo battalions have MP companies). you arent going to get a bump anywhere to fill this junior enlisted spot, so you need to pull from a pool of recruits, which as stated, is torpedoing south because of easy chaptering.

    what happens to a company that has trouble filling MOSQ slots? the MOS closes. if it happens too many times like the MP guard units in virginia and new jersey? companies close

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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Greenbean View Post
    you lose 3 E3s to an active conditional release in a transpo unit, and the 3 you lost are MP slots (many reserve transpo battalions have MP companies). you arent going to get a bump anywhere to fill this junior enlisted spot, so you need to pull from a pool of recruits, which as stated, is torpedoing south because of easy chaptering.

    what happens to a company that has trouble filling MOSQ slots? the MOS closes. if it happens too many times like the MP guard units in virginia and new jersey? companies close
    Again, its not magic. You have finite resources and if you don't have enough manning to fill your billets, then at some point you have to decide where to be short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Greenbean View Post
    99.99% of pilots are officers. there is no "enlistment" for them. they "branch" such as "aviation" or intelligence, or logistics...etc. their contracts are not enlistments. thats only for enlisted airmen
    glad i was able to clear up your confusion
    Wonder why they are called ENLISTMENT CONTRACTS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Greenbean View Post
    99.99% of pilots are officers. there is no "enlistment" for them. they "branch" such as "aviation" or intelligence, or logistics...etc. their contracts are not enlistments. thats only for enlisted airmen
    glad i was able to clear up your confusion
    Yes there is a thing in the U.S. in regards to "enlistment" for officers. It's just called something different for officers: it's called a commission.

    You're playing semantics and pretending to know something you don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    That's awesome that you teach Marines military stuff. Can you teach me stuff too? I'm not a Marine, but I am a Chief so I like to learn from guys like you.

    Okay, my brain is ready... go!
    Watch it now Chief, I understand thos Neighborhood Watch "Officer"s are some pretty tough hombres. You might be asking for a vicious drive by slapping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Yes there is a thing in the U.S. in regards to "enlistment" for officers. It's just called something different for officers: it's called a commission.

    You're playing semantics and pretending to know something you don't know.
    a commission is not the same thing. an enlistment grants you a JOB that you ENLIST with. a commission earns you a BRANCH and then you are assigned one.

    two very different things.

    but you must be the resident General.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    Wonder why they are called ENLISTMENT CONTRACTS.
    wrong. enlistment contracts are only for enlistment. when one commissions, they branch, and are assigned a job. Enlistment you know your job going in.

    let me give you an example:

    you enlist as a 12B, you go straight to basic/ait or OSUT and you are a 12B. you got to OCS, you do well on the OML, you get to pick your branch. but the Army places you in a job by the needs of the army.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    Again, its not magic. You have finite resources and if you don't have enough manning to fill your billets, then at some point you have to decide where to be short.
    it doesnt work that way. its how you force battalion closures. if this is the best course of action that you recommend, i suggest you go back to OCS

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