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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Greenbean View Post
    it doesnt work that way. its how you force battalion closures. if this is the best course of action that you recommend, i suggest you go back to OCS
    lol - man you crack me up.

    I have to ask, since you know so much... was I supposed to go to OCS when I made Chief? Maybe I missed a step.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    lol - man you crack me up.

    I have to ask, since you know so much... was I supposed to go to OCS when I made Chief? Maybe I missed a step.
    i never bothered to learn navy rank, to be honest. hardly ever worked with you guys. when i was fresh out of basic i had to report back to meps before my duty station. i was walking past some female sailors and it look like they had birds on their PCs (which for us, means COL), i saluted them outside and they laughed.

    turns out it was some enlisted insignia

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Yes there is a thing in the U.S. in regards to "enlistment" for officers. It's just called something different for officers: it's called a commission.

    You're playing semantics and pretending to know something you don't know.
    Perhaps, it may be important to note that officers receive their commissions from the President, their duties and responsibilities are bestowed on them by the President. While both enlisted and commissioned personnel must make an oath to defend and protect the Constitution, those oaths are different. The enlisted oath includes that they will obey the orders of officers and the President. Moreover, officers, traditionally, renew that oath when advancing in rank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Greenbean View Post
    i never bothered to learn navy rank, to be honest. hardly ever worked with you guys. when i was fresh out of basic i had to report back to meps before my duty station. i was walking past some female sailors and it look like they had birds on their PCs (which for us, means COL), i saluted them outside and they laughed.

    turns out it was some enlisted insignia
    A Petty Officer has a crow, which you'll see on folks E-4 through E-6. A Chief in the Navy in an E-7. In the Air Force they call an E-9 a Chief, and I don't need to tell you in the Army they call Warrant Officers Chief. Anyway and jokes aside... it's not gonna be up to us to fix this. So how must thought I am willing to put into it reflects that. All I am saying is that they can improve the situation, again "improve" which doesn't mean the same as "solve", by leaning more on the reserve component. One other thing I mentioned before, is that there is a limit to how much they can fix with money. They really do need to look at QOL issues, in all the branches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Greenbean View Post
    99.99% of pilots are officers. there is no "enlistment" for them. they "branch" such as "aviation" or intelligence, or logistics...etc. their contracts are not enlistments. thats only for enlisted airmen
    glad i was able to clear up your confusion
    Well genius, change the word enlistment to commitment and add more time. You cleared nothing up but, you reminded me of a very funny SNL skit from awhile back. Your I was lower case FYI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    A Petty Officer has a crow, which you'll see on folks E-4 through E-6. A Chief in the Navy in an E-7. In the Air Force they call an E-9 a Chief, and I don't need to tell you in the Army they call Warrant Officers Chief. Anyway and jokes aside... it's not gonna be up to us to fix this. So how must thought I am willing to put into it reflects that. All I am saying is that they can improve the situation, again "improve" which doesn't mean the same as "solve", by leaning more on the reserve component. One other thing I mentioned before, is that there is a limit to how much they can fix with money. They really do need to look at QOL issues, in all the branches.
    what needs to happen now is a personnel assessment on a grande scale.

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    An officers commission does not have an expiration date. I know because mine is hanging on my wall. My contracts however did have expiration dates. The oath of an Army officer dates back to 1959 but it is current.

    I, _____, having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."

    DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    An officers commission does not have an expiration date. I know because mine is hanging on my wall. My contracts however did have expiration dates. The oath of an Army officer dates back to 1959 but it is current.
    Yes, in ROTC, we were always taught to never refer to our commission as a "enlistment" and we were VERY sensitive about that. We continued this throughout service and still do. Maybe other branches don't care about the differences...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Greenbean View Post
    Yes, in ROTC, we were always taught to never refer to our commission as a "enlistment" and we were VERY sensitive about that. We continued this throughout service and still do. Maybe other branches don't care about the differences...
    I was enlisted my first four years before going to OBC. I've seen both worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    I was enlisted my first four years before going to OBC. I've seen both worlds.
    I have an interesting story. I enlisted during college. I was in week 4 of Basic and I was told my Reserve unit was being shut down. I was given the option to transfer to another, or go home. I chose to go home. I was very disappointed in myself later, so when I went back to college, I was determined to turn that around. Joined ROTC and branched MP

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