Results 1 to 6 of 6
Thanks Tree7Thanks
  • 1 Post By The Man
  • 2 Post By Dangermouse
  • 1 Post By bajisima
  • 2 Post By The Man
  • 1 Post By Dr.Knuckles

Thread: Spain says Russia involved with Catalonia mess

  1. #1
    The Un-Holy One The Man's Avatar
    Joined
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    33,846
    Thanks
    19377

    From
    Toronto

    Spain says Russia involved with Catalonia mess

    Madrid believes Russian-based groups used online social media to heavily promote Catalonia's independence referendum last month in an attempt to destabilize Spain, Spanish ministers said on Monday.

    Spain's defense and foreign ministers said they had evidence that state and private-sector Russian groups, as well as groups in Venezuela, used Twitter, Facebook and other Internet sites to massively publicize the separatist cause and swing public opinion behind it in the run-up to the Oct. 1 referendum.

    Catalonia's separatist leaders have denied that Russian interference helped them in the vote.

    "What we know today is that much of this came from Russian territory," Spanish Defence Minister Maria Dolores de Cospedal said of Russian-based internet support.

    "These are groups that, public and private, are trying to influence the situation and create instability in Europe," she told reporters at a meeting of EU foreign and defense ministers in Brussels.

    Asked if Madrid was certain of the accusations, Spanish Foreign Minister Alfonso Dastis, also at the meeting, said: "Yes, we have proof."

    Dastis said Spain had detected false accounts on social media, half of which were traced back to Russia and another 30 percent to Venezuela, created to amplify the benefits of the separatist cause by re-publishing messages and posts.

    Ramon Tremosa, the EU lawmaker for the PDeCat party of Catalan separatist leader Carles Puigdemont, repeated on Monday that Russian interference had played no part in the referendum.

    "Those that say Russia is helping Catalonia are those that have helped the Russian fleet in recent years, despite the EU's boycott," Tremosa tweeted, referring to Spanish media reports that Spain was allowing Russian warships to refuell at its ports.

    Those who voted in the referendum opted overwhelmingly for independence. But turnout was only about 43 percent as Catalans who favor remaining part of Spain mainly boycotted the ballot.

    The separatist vote has plunged Spain, the euro zone's fourth-biggest economy, into its worst constitutional crisis since its return to democracy in the 1970s.

    Dastis said he had raised the issue with the Kremlin.

    Moscow has repeatedly denied any such interference and accuses the West of a campaign to discredit Russia.

    NATO believes Moscow is involved in a deliberately ambiguous strategy of information warfare and disinformation to try to divide the West and break its unity over economic sanctions imposed on Russia following its 2014 annexation of Crimea.

    U.S. intelligence agencies concluded in January that Russia interfered in the U.S. election to try to help President Donald Trump defeat rival Hillary Clinton by hacking and releasing emails and spreading propaganda via social media.

    NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg, who attended the EU meeting in Brussels, declined to comment on Spain's accusations, but the alliance's top commander said last week that Russian interference was a concern.

    NATO's Supreme Allied Commander Gen. Curtis Scaparotti said "Russian malign influence" was trying to sway elections and other decisions in the West, describing it as a "destabilization campaign," although he did not directly address the Catalonia referendum.
    Spain says Russia tried to influence outcome of Catalan independence vote

    Makes sense...
    Thanks from Tedminator

  2. #2
    Wrinkly Member Dangermouse's Avatar
    Joined
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    21,442
    Thanks
    19274

    From
    Sunny Bournemouth, Dorset
    Anything to fuck up western society making it weaker with division and upset. Turns out the person who tweeted lies about a Muslim woman walking past bleeding victims of the London car atrocity was a Russian troll.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8052961.html
    Last edited by Dangermouse; 14th November 2017 at 02:15 PM.
    Thanks from The Man and Tedminator

  3. #3
    Veteran Member bajisima's Avatar
    Joined
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    41,688
    Thanks
    24510

    From
    New Hampshire
    They are behind California's attempt at secession as well.
    Thanks from The Man

  4. #4
    The Un-Holy One The Man's Avatar
    Joined
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    33,846
    Thanks
    19377

    From
    Toronto
    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    They are behind California's attempt at secession as well.
    Oh, yeah, the leader of Californian separatists even lives in Russia: Russia promotes California secession

    lol
    Thanks from bajisima and Tedminator

  5. #5
    Veteran Member Dr.Knuckles's Avatar
    Joined
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    98,453
    Thanks
    5244

    From
    Vancouver
    Somehow I donít see Spain as worth that sort of trouble.

    No offence Spain - you had an amazing run. Thereís still landmarks here from your prime (Straight of Juan de Fucha)
    Last edited by Dr.Knuckles; 14th November 2017 at 02:49 PM.
    Thanks from The Man

  6. #6
    The Un-Holy One The Man's Avatar
    Joined
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    33,846
    Thanks
    19377

    From
    Toronto
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    Somehow I don’t see Spain as worth that sort of trouble.

    No offence Spain - you had an amazing run. There’s still landmarks here from your prime (Straight of Juan de Fucha)
    Unless the end goal is bigger than just Spain. Think - destabilization of the whole EU, eventually

Similar Threads

  1. Catalonia declares independence from Spain
    By The Man in forum Current Events
    Replies: 49
    Last Post: 29th October 2017, 01:11 PM
  2. Catalonia votes to split from Spain
    By bajisima in forum Current Events
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 27th October 2017, 08:09 AM
  3. Spain's King Felipe condemns Catalonia independence movement
    By Singularity in forum World Politics
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 9th October 2017, 02:32 PM
  4. Catalonia to secede from Spain
    By The Man in forum Current Events
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 9th November 2015, 02:28 PM
  5. If the U.S. got involved in a war with Russia...
    By EnigmaO01 in forum Political Discussion
    Replies: 60
    Last Post: 4th September 2014, 09:34 PM

Search tags for this page

Click on a term to search for related topics.

Tags for this Thread


Facebook Twitter RSS Feed