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    How Roy Moores alleged misdeeds are forcing an awakening for the left

    Saw Chris Hayes from MSNBC is spearheading this via his tweets..

    Are liberals having a moral awakening? Watching the political contortions of Republicans to defend a candidate accused of sexually molesting teenage girls, Democrats and liberal pundits are reckoning publicly with their own history of fervid rationalizations on behalf of a recent president. But this should be just the beginning of a painful re-examination.

    This new consciousness was glimpsed first in a tweet from MSNBC’s Chris Hayes, a commentator of stoutly progressive persuasion. “As gross and cynical and hypocritical as the right's ‘what about Bill Clinton’ stuff is,” he wrote, “it's also true that Democrats and the center left are overdue for a real reckoning with the allegations against him.” It was glimpsed in passing in a New York Times editorial, Ground Zero of conventional liberalism. “Remember former President Bill Clinton, whose popularity endures despite a long string of allegations of sexual misconduct and, in one case, rape—all of which he has denied,” it said.

    David Remnick, editor of the New Yorker, where coastal elitism is a badge of honor, acknowledged the elephant in the room this way: “That so many women have summoned the courage to make public their allegations against Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Roger Ailes, and Bill O’Reilly—or that many have come to reconsider some of the claims made against Bill Clinton—represents a cultural passage.” And in full-throated, unvarnished form, it appeared in a piece Monday in The Atlantic by the redoubtable Caitlin Flanagan, who is unbound to any specific ideology. In a piece titled, “Bill Clinton—The Reckoning,” Flanagan pointed not to the Monica Lewinsky story, nor to Gennifer Flowers, nor to any other story of consensual behavior, but to a darker series of stories from as far back as 1978.

    But from the political center leftward, those allegations never reached critical mass. There's no better illustration of how the ground has shifted than to look at Gloria Steinem’s 1998 New York Times op-ed piece, “Why Feminists Support Clinton.” Published as the Lewinsky story was on full boil, the piece talked not about that story, but about the charges of harassment leveled by Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey. What she argued was that even if the allegations were true, they did not amount to harassment. Why not? Because, in the cases of of Willey and Jones, he took no for an answer.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...mocrats-215825
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    Okay, fair enough. But, we need to take into consideration the political machines on the right that have, in reality, been behind a lot of the allegations against Clinton. I need a fair amount of convincing that a lot of those allegations weren't paid for by right wing organizations. Because of documented evidence. I'm still leaning toward Bill being a womanizer who had some consensual affairs. I am more than open to documented evidence otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Okay, far enough. But, we need to take into consideration the political machines on the right that have, in reality, been behind a lot of the allegations against Clinton. I need a fair amount of convincing that a lot of those allegations weren't paid for by right wing organizations. Because of documented evidence. I'm still leaning toward Bill being a womanizer who had some consensual affairs. I am more than open to documented evidence otherwise.
    Yea its hard to describe when its politics. Kind of spoils it because everyone retreats to their corners. But I guess one of the staffers at MSNBC got Chris Hayes thinking when her 18 year old daughter questioned why we must believe everyone who accuses Roy Moore or Harvey Weinstein but not Bill Clinton. Said it was eye opening from someone not alive during that time.
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    Equating what was very obviously consensual acts between adults and what happened in the Moore case is ridiculous. Yes, Billy's position made it a bit questionable but from interviews etc. at the time there was no hint of coercion of the "victim". In fact I seem to recall she was loving it.

    Not saying it wasn't a stupid thing to do, and that lying about it wasn't even stupider, but comparing that to a 30 something forcing himself on minors is just insane.

    And that's without even bringing up the hypocrisy of the whole "party of family values" thing.
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