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    Zimbabwe's military taken custody of dictator Robert Mugabe in apparent coup

    There have been rumblings about this all day.

    Mugabe is said to be effectively on his death bed (at 93, bout damn time) and is no longer able to control the country. So now he's on the way out.

    The main relevance is that an American student has been facing 20 in prison for sedition after mocking Mugabe on social media.

    Hopefully that will be dispensed with.
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    Zimbabwe crisis: Army says it is 'targeting criminals', not Mugabe

    Russians should watch this shit and pay attention. Mugabe today, that will be Putin, 20 years from now. And he will still be in the Kremlin too, no doubt...
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    For once if it was a coup (though they deny it, but don't they all) It might not be so bad as what went before!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    For once if it was a coup (though they deny it, but don't they all) It might not be so bad as what went before!
    Yeah when things are in a "only direction we can go from here is up" situation, any regime change will do.

    And it's definitely a coup, Mugabe is incapable of running the country in his current condition, they may continue governing in his name at least until he's dead --- which by all reports will not be long --- but there's a new sheriff in town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    For once if it was a coup (though they deny it, but don't they all) It might not be so bad as what went before!
    When did a coup, specifically military coup, ever not end in yet another - often times worse - dictatorship than before ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    When did a coup, specifically military coup, ever not end in yet another - often times worse - dictatorship than before ?
    18 Brumaire is pretty much the only time in modern history where an an active, uniformed general forcibly seized power from his own countrymen and created something that was objectively better for the rest of them. Of course there are multiple examples in Africa, Mugabe included, where military/militant leaders are/were in power because they drove out colonial oppressors or the like, but that's not really the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    When did a coup, specifically military coup, ever not end in yet another - often times worse - dictatorship than before ?

    The 1986 People Power Revolution in the Philippines against the Marcos dictatorship started off as a military coup (didn't work out as planned though so a couple million unarmed civilians volunteered as human shields to protect the rebel forces)..



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Power_Revolution

    Appalled by the bold and apparent election irregularities, the Reform the Armed Forces Movement set into motion a coup attempt against Marcos. The initial plan was for a team to assault Malacaņan Palace and arrest Ferdinand Marcos. Other military units would take over key strategic facilities, such as the airport, military bases, the GHQAFP in Camp Aguinaldo, and major highway junctions to restrict counteroffensive by Marcos-loyal troops. Lt. Col. Gregorio Honasan was to lead the team that was going to assault Malacaņan Palace.

    However, after Marcos learned about the plot, he ordered their leaders' arrest.

    Threatened with their impending imprisonment, Defense Minister Enrile and his fellow coup plotters decided to ask for help from then AFP Vice Chief of Staff Lt. Gen Fidel Ramos, who was also the chief of the Philippine Constabulary (now the Philippine National Police). Ramos agreed to resign from his position and support the plotters. Enrile also contacted the highly influential Cardinal Archbishop of Manila Jaime Sin for his support.

    At about 6:30 p.m. on 22 February, Enrile and Ramos held a press conference at Camp Aguinaldo, where they announced that they had resigned from their positions in Marcos' cabinet and were withdrawing support from his government. Marcos himself later conducted his own news conference calling on Enrile and Ramos to surrender, urging them to "stop this stupidity".
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    Anyhoo long story short the Philippines ended up with President Aquino after the coup so it is possible to have something better after a dictatorship is ousted.

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    This bum shoulda been thrown out of office long ago.

    He managed to pretty much destroy his country first, but they finally got him.

    Post#5 makes a good point.

    As bad as the outgoing dictator is, the new regime is often worse...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    There have been rumblings about this all day.

    Mugabe is said to be effectively on his death bed (at 93, bout damn time) and is no longer able to control the country. So now he's on the way out.

    The main relevance is that an American student has been facing 20 in prison for sedition after mocking Mugabe on social media.

    Hopefully that will be dispensed with.
    Hard to say as the military leadership will be stuffed full with his crony's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    For once if it was a coup (though they deny it, but don't they all) It might not be so bad as what went before!
    Since these are Mugabe's hand picked men I'm not going to hold my breath that a "liberal democracy" will be swept into power. You British made promises to the peoples of that country that were not kept. Whatever's happened to that country lays at your feet.

    ZIMBABWE PRESIDENT ROBERT MUGABE: 'WE WILL NOT PROSECUTE KILLERS OF WHITE FARMERS'

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