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    A Panama tower carries Trump’s name and ties to organized crime

    PANAMA CITY — When Ivanka Trump flew here in 2006 to push her family’s latest business project — an oceanfront steel and glass tower called the Trump Ocean Club International Hotel and Tower, shaped like a sail and designed to be one of the tallest buildings in Latin America — a Brazilian real estate salesman named Alexandre Ventura Nogueira says he was ready with a sales pitch.

    Ventura, who said he only had a small real estate company at the time, said he told Ivanka Trump that he could sell condos in the proposed skyscraper for three times the price of similar units in Panama City. The reason: the Trump name, which would go on the building in a licensing deal even though the Trump Organization was not the building’s real developer.
    Ventura did sell the initial units, and later hundreds more. He is now a fugitive. In May 2009, Ventura was arrested in Panama for real estate fraud, unrelated to the Trump project. Mauricio Ceballos, a former financial crimes prosecutor in Panama who investigated Ventura, said that dozens of complaints against Ventura crossed his desk accusing him of double- and triple-selling apartments, both at the Trump Ocean Club and other developments.
    ok, let's try something a little different this time around. Let's all just pretend like the last name we are dealing with here isn't Trump. Let's instead pretend the last names are either Clinton or Obama. A little difficult I know. Neither names have been slapped up on high rise buildings. But, let's try real hard. Shall we? Switch out the title to read "A Panama tower carries Obama's name and ties to organized crime". Now, let's take the Trump family defense of pleading ignorance to the organized crime activities going on in a building with Obama's name slapped on it. Let's even go so far as to say that, instead of Ivanka Trump, it was Michelle Obama appearing in television ads promoting the property.

    Let's just imagine.....

    Your thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    PANAMA CITY — When Ivanka Trump flew here in 2006 to push her family’s latest business project — an oceanfront steel and glass tower called the Trump Ocean Club International Hotel and Tower, shaped like a sail and designed to be one of the tallest buildings in Latin America — a Brazilian real estate salesman named Alexandre Ventura Nogueira says he was ready with a sales pitch.

    Ventura, who said he only had a small real estate company at the time, said he told Ivanka Trump that he could sell condos in the proposed skyscraper for three times the price of similar units in Panama City. The reason: the Trump name, which would go on the building in a licensing deal even though the Trump Organization was not the building’s real developer.


    ok, let's try something a little different this time around. Let's all just pretend like the last name we are dealing with here isn't Trump. Let's instead pretend the last names are either Clinton or Obama. A little difficult I know. Neither names have been slapped up on high rise buildings. But, let's try real hard. Shall we? Switch out the title to read "A Panama tower carries Obama's name and ties to organized crime". Now, let's take the Trump family defense of pleading ignorance to the organized crime activities going on in a building with Obama's name slapped on it. Let's even go so far as to say that, instead of Ivanka Trump, it was Michelle Obama appearing in television ads promoting the property.

    Let's just imagine.....

    Your thoughts?
    The Watchman,

    Ventura is a crook. Good to see he was arrested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    PANAMA CITY — When Ivanka Trump flew here in 2006 to push her family’s latest business project — an oceanfront steel and glass tower called the Trump Ocean Club International Hotel and Tower, shaped like a sail and designed to be one of the tallest buildings in Latin America — a Brazilian real estate salesman named Alexandre Ventura Nogueira says he was ready with a sales pitch.

    Ventura, who said he only had a small real estate company at the time, said he told Ivanka Trump that he could sell condos in the proposed skyscraper for three times the price of similar units in Panama City. The reason: the Trump name, which would go on the building in a licensing deal even though the Trump Organization was not the building’s real developer.


    ok, let's try something a little different this time around. Let's all just pretend like the last name we are dealing with here isn't Trump. Let's instead pretend the last names are either Clinton or Obama. A little difficult I know. Neither names have been slapped up on high rise buildings. But, let's try real hard. Shall we? Switch out the title to read "A Panama tower carries Obama's name and ties to organized crime". Now, let's take the Trump family defense of pleading ignorance to the organized crime activities going on in a building with Obama's name slapped on it. Let's even go so far as to say that, instead of Ivanka Trump, it was Michelle Obama appearing in television ads promoting the property.

    Let's just imagine.....

    Your thoughts?
    Why would this be a shocker?

    I have no doubt that the president could not care any less about whom he engages in the business world, overtly or tacitly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    PANAMA CITY — When Ivanka Trump flew here in 2006 to push her family’s latest business project — an oceanfront steel and glass tower called the Trump Ocean Club International Hotel and Tower, shaped like a sail and designed to be one of the tallest buildings in Latin America — a Brazilian real estate salesman named Alexandre Ventura Nogueira says he was ready with a sales pitch.

    Ventura, who said he only had a small real estate company at the time, said he told Ivanka Trump that he could sell condos in the proposed skyscraper for three times the price of similar units in Panama City. The reason: the Trump name, which would go on the building in a licensing deal even though the Trump Organization was not the building’s real developer.


    ok, let's try something a little different this time around. Let's all just pretend like the last name we are dealing with here isn't Trump. Let's instead pretend the last names are either Clinton or Obama. A little difficult I know. Neither names have been slapped up on high rise buildings. But, let's try real hard. Shall we? Switch out the title to read "A Panama tower carries Obama's name and ties to organized crime". Now, let's take the Trump family defense of pleading ignorance to the organized crime activities going on in a building with Obama's name slapped on it. Let's even go so far as to say that, instead of Ivanka Trump, it was Michelle Obama appearing in television ads promoting the property.

    Let's just imagine.....

    Your thoughts?
    So, this guy was arrested 3 years after talking to Ivanka, on things UNRELATED TO THE TRUMP PROJECT, and you claim this ties Trump to "organized crime"

    What a bullshit thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Think for myself View Post
    Why would this be a shocker?

    I have no doubt that the president could not care any less about whom he engages in the business world, overtly or tacitly.
    then it's up to the American citizens to make him care.

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    Ivanka hawker extrordaire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    PANAMA CITY — When Ivanka Trump flew here in 2006 to push her family’s latest business project — an oceanfront steel and glass tower called the Trump Ocean Club International Hotel and Tower, shaped like a sail and designed to be one of the tallest buildings in Latin America — a Brazilian real estate salesman named Alexandre Ventura Nogueira says he was ready with a sales pitch.

    Ventura, who said he only had a small real estate company at the time, said he told Ivanka Trump that he could sell condos in the proposed skyscraper for three times the price of similar units in Panama City. The reason: the Trump name, which would go on the building in a licensing deal even though the Trump Organization was not the building’s real developer.


    ok, let's try something a little different this time around. Let's all just pretend like the last name we are dealing with here isn't Trump. Let's instead pretend the last names are either Clinton or Obama. A little difficult I know. Neither names have been slapped up on high rise buildings. But, let's try real hard. Shall we? Switch out the title to read "A Panama tower carries Obama's name and ties to organized crime". Now, let's take the Trump family defense of pleading ignorance to the organized crime activities going on in a building with Obama's name slapped on it. Let's even go so far as to say that, instead of Ivanka Trump, it was Michelle Obama appearing in television ads promoting the property.

    Let's just imagine.....

    Your thoughts?
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    Legal experts contacted by Reuters said the Trumps should have asked those questions. Because Panama is “perceived to be highly corrupt,” said Arthur Middlemiss, a former assistant district attorney in Manhattan and a former head of JPMorgan’s global anti-corruption program, those who do business there should perform due diligence on others involved in their ventures. If they fail to do so, he told Reuters, they risk being liable under U.S. law of turning a blind eye to wrongdoing.

    The actual development, along with all of the risks involved, would be left to a local businessman with almost no real estate experience, Roger Khafif and other partners. Ventura said he was invited to the meeting as Khafif’s sales representative.

    The Trump Organization has to approve everything because of his name on the project,” Ventura said, describing the project as Ivanka Trump’s “baby.”


    But I thought he only had the "best" people?

    Nobody who is in real estate development would make such a rookie mistake. I know that for a fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
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    Ventura is a crook. Good to see he was arrested.
    Trump is making money off the deal. Some crooks still getting paid.

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