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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    That's not trying to work around it or educate them. That is trying to inflame them. And it's stupid.
    You presume that bigots can be, and are willing to be, educated. They can't, and they aren't. Bigotry is not a function of being uneducated: they don't know any better. It is a function of ignorance: They do know better, they just don't care. Why would I waste time trying to "educate" them. As far as "working around them". It is working around them. I got them to do exactly what I wanted them to, and by the time they figured out that they had been played, it was too late for them to do anything about it. I found a way to work around their bigotry, and still get out of them exactly what I wanted.
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    More to the point, if I can make money producing a show punking Christians by duping them into providing services for homosexuals, every red-tied American knows that if I make a lot of money at it, then it is because I EARNED IT and I DESERVE IT and anyone who opposes me is just jealous and trying to steal my property. Fucking leftists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    You presume that bigots can be, and are willing to be, educated. They can't, and they aren't. Bigotry is not a function of being uneducated: they don't know any better. It is a function of ignorance: They do know better, they just don't care. Why would I waste time trying to "educate" them. As far as "working around them". It is working around them. I got them to do exactly what I wanted them to, and by the time they figured out that they had been played, it was too late for them to do anything about it. I found a way to work around their bigotry, and still get out of them exactly what I wanted.
    Really? Bigots can't be educated? I haven't heard of any Mormons recently being hung for their religion. They haven't been run out of any more states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Really? Bigots can't be educated?
    Really. Bigots can't be educated. Do you really think that any of these people who are refusing to do business with homosexuals don't know that what they are practising is discrimination? Of course they know. They just don't care. And bringing up a religious movement that altered their religion to fit sociey's expectations, isn't an example of "educating bigots"; it's an example of capitulating to the desires of bigots that you be what they expect you to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Really? Bigots can't be educated? I haven't heard of any Mormons recently being hung for their religion. They haven't been run out of any more states.
    No, but Mormon attitudes are changing. Fast.

    Mormons are changing their tune on same-sex marriage | Religion News Service

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    Wow, you totally missed my point and went the other direction. Psst! I wasn't talking about the Mormons changing their attitude, other people's attitudes toward them changing. Doh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Wow, you totally missed my point and went the other direction. Psst! I wasn't talking about the Mormons changing their attitude, other people's attitudes toward them changing. Doh!
    Attitudes towards Mormons are changing because they've modernized and revised many of their racist and otherwise discriminatory beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Does he make wedding cakes? Yes? Then, unless the couple asks for something specific to indicate that this is a cake for a gay wedding - they didn't - then they didn't ask for a "custom" cake. They just asked for one of his wedding cakes, which he does make. You keep trying to imply that what they asked for was "custom", and unique to what he offers all other customers. They didn't. So your "custom" argument fails.
    Did he offer any of the cakes in his store that were on display or not? My Cato link says he did. Those were pre-made cakes that could be used for any purpose. According to my link, that offer was not good enough and they insisted he make a cake just for them. That's called a custom cake. Check your facts. Links please. Mine is in a previous post in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Really. Bigots can't be educated. Do you really think that any of these people who are refusing to do business with homosexuals don't know that what they are practising is discrimination? Of course they know. They just don't care. And bringing up a religious movement that altered their religion to fit sociey's expectations, isn't an example of "educating bigots"; it's an example of capitulating to the desires of bigots that you be what they expect you to be.
    Your bigotry toward people of faith is clear enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Hey. You said yourself, we're not going to change them. So, we might as well find ways to work around their hatred, and turn it into an advantage to expose how absurd they are.
    And yours, the fellow who starts the same anti-Christian threads over and over and over. An objective observer might note that you have some hatred to deal with.

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