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Thread: Opponents in LGBT case agree: It's not about wedding cake

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    No, the loss is that many quality Christian businesses will no longer operate due to being forced to violate their belief system.

    And in the end that is what the LGBT community wants.

    The removal of Christianity from the world.
    Why do you suppose they want that, they're christians themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    No, they are not. All this has done is stir up religious groups to hate them more. The clerk didn't sign the marriage licenses. The baker didn't bake the cake. The owners of the wedding chapel didn't marry LGBT. The photographer never shot the weddings. The better course of action rather than lawsuits is to simply take your business elsewhere. Religious people, and this goes for all religions are gullible sheep. They are BELIEVERS. Which is a scary thing.
    yeah just ignore law. How about if businesses started refusing service to ignorant southern conservatives? You would be happy to adjust your shopping to accommodate them? Just take your business elsewhere?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pureinheart View Post
    I thought you people were all about the right to 'choose'... guess not
    Yes they have the right to choose any fucking baker they want to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pureinheart View Post
    In a free world and so-called free enterprise YES YOU DO.

    Why didn't this gay couple go somewhere else? Nah, this is about forcing their views on others. Period.
    Same with black people, if I don't want to serve them I can hang a sign in the window saying "I don't serve blacks". They can go somewhere else. They should not be able to force their views on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    According to the linked article:

    Phillips still stoutly defends his 2012 rebuff of Mullins and Craig, saying he offered to sell them virtually any of his baked goods except a custom cake for their wedding.
    "I don't create custom designs for events or messages that conflict with my conscience," he said at the recent rally of his supporters. "I don't create cakes for Halloween, bachelor or bachelorette parties, and anti-American cakes. I've turned down a cake order for an anti-LGBT message."
    Then the discriminatory son of a bitch should lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    The customers only had to look at the store and they would know that the proprietor was an artist.

    Seriously, can you demand that a Jewish artist do a tapestry with swastikas?

    Can you demand that a baker / artist do an elaborate cake for a an Inauguration reception for the guy he voted against?

    This baker does high end work. The commodities laws do not apply.
    No the guy isn't Rembrandt, he's a fucking baker and whatever he offers to his customers is what he offers to everyone or he is breaking the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Art implies whatever the artist wants it to imply. That is the nature of Art.
    Yeah, that's the same way I make waffles at the waffle house. Every dish is a work of art so if I want to refuse you service that's my right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    No, they are not. All this has done is stir up religious groups to hate them more. The clerk didn't sign the marriage licenses. The baker didn't bake the cake. The owners of the wedding chapel didn't marry LGBT. The photographer never shot the weddings. The better course of action rather than lawsuits is to simply take your business elsewhere. Religious people, and this goes for all religions are gullible sheep. They are BELIEVERS. Which is a scary thing.
    By your argument, black people should have simply taken their business to other restaurants, and moved into more-welcoming neighborhoods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Except they aren't discriminating.

    They would sell to homosexuals its just some items they won't make.

    That is their choice as a business.

    They are a business that offers a specific service and gay wedding cakes are not one of the things they offer.
    But, what is a "gay wedding cake"?

    Paul and his female fiance Chris come into a bakery and order a wedding cake with "Congratulations Paul & Chris" spelled out in icing. At the wedding reception, their friends Paul and Chris, a homosexual couple, see the cake and admire it.

    The next day they go to the same bakery and order the exact same cake. Same flavor... same frosting... exact same words spelled out in icing.

    What's the basis for the bakery making the first cake and refusing to make the second cake?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Art implies whatever the artist wants it to imply. That is the nature of Art.
    Art is something created to be enjoyed by generations, and gains value over time. A wedding cake is created to be eaten. A wedding cake may be artfully designed, but it is, at the end of the day, a consumable baked good. You continuing to try to redefine a wedding cake to make it something it isn't doesn't make it so.

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