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    Exclamation Opponents in LGBT case agree: It's not about wedding cake

    Opponents in LGBT case agree: It's not about wedding cake - ABC News
    ​By David Crary, AP National Writer

    "At its core, the case that goes before the U.S. Supreme Court for oral arguments on Dec. 5 is a showdown between a gay couple from Colorado and a Denver-area baker who in 2012 cited his Christian faith in refusing to make a cake for their wedding celebration."
    "For advocates of LGBT rights, the stakes are perilously high. They fear a Supreme Court ruling in Phillips' favor would open the door to discrimination by a wide range of business owners and entrepreneurs."
    "If a baker can reject LGBTQ people because of who we are, then what about the mechanic, the florist, the doctor, the teacher?" Strangio asked. "This is not about cake. This is not about art. This is about survival."




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    Indeed this case has serious ramifications. While both sides argue that they are right in what they are doing or seeking those who wish to continue to discriminate against others are choosing to do it at the workplace which is wrong and should not be allowed. They can believe as they choose in a church, in private and in gatherings with those of like mind but when they are in service to others they should be in full service to others without exception.

    The danger in ruling in favor of this type of discrimination is that then basically any business could choose to discriminate against others for whatever purpose and get away with it legally. That would leave many Americans at a great disadvantage. If they don't like a Muslim person, he's out of their shop. If they don't like a Jew, they can't enter into a Christian store. If they don't like a Buddhist they can turn them away. If they don't like an LGBT person they can be sent out the door. If they don't like a Black person they can always find a way to drive them out of their business under some other pretense. Therein lies the big problem as few could be served in this country due to the high prejudice of business owners.

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    I don't see how this could possibly go in favor of the baker. The sentence below pretty much seals the argument in favor of the gay couple.

    The undisputed facts of the case are that he wouldn’t sell the same wedding cakes to a same-sex couple that he would sell to different-sex couples — regardless of the design, which the couple never even had the chance to discuss with him before he refused them service.
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    So you would deny the rights of Christians in favor of homosexuals?

    That's ok in your opinion?

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    They were not denied a cake. They were offered a pre-made cake. The baker refused to design a cake using his artistic talent. Art is speech and this is also about compelled speech as well as right of conscience.

    The outcome will depend on whether the Supreme Court adheres to the Constitution or bad law and case law.
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    Maybe its time to open a wedding cake business that caters to homosexuals.

    I'll take their money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    So you would deny the rights of Christians in favor of homosexuals?
    I am not sure to whom this is addressed, I do not grant the premise of your complex question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    The outcome will depend on whether the Supreme Court adheres to the Constitution or bad law and case law.
    That makes no sense. Adhering to case law IS adhering to the Constitution.

    What I would be interested in seeing is case law supporting the baker's contention, which I have not seen posted on this site. All I see (on other issues as well) is either that the case law has been wrong for X years, or the Supreme Court does not have the power of judicial review, or other such nonsense. The only question is what the law is, not farcical political partisanship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I am not sure to whom this is addressed, I do not grant the premise of your complex question.
    Its not a "complex question", its a two player zero-sum game theory.

    The payoff for one will be equal to the loss of the other so if homosexuals win this "right" then the Christian loses their right.

    If the Christian wins their "right" the homosexual loses his.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    So you would deny the rights of Christians in favor of homosexuals?

    That's ok in your opinion?
    You would say that Christians have the right to discriminate just because they are Christians?

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