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    Quote Originally Posted by MeBelle View Post
    Wonderful!

    A newspaper giving out gold stars.
    Why just write it off? If you are interested in the discussion, maybe reading the links and knowing what's actually being discussed would help. The criteria is in the link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    No, it does not. Not in the slightest. Here is the link again:
    https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...states-compare

    The title: How States Compare in the 2017 Best High Schools Rankings
    I just assumed the "fact" cited by our troll friends was bullshit. Actually, it wasn't an assumption. I know exactly how Oklahomans feel about school. A significant portion of them don't take kindly t'yer types, with yer books an'yer fancy words. You get off the beaten path a little bit and they positively embrace their ignorance.

    The good news is they don't mind. They're perfectly happy not shipping kids off to Ivy League schools and such, or befuddling them with book learning. They actually believe all that simplistic Jeebus shit that they've been hearing since birth, and think the rest of the world is pretentious and pedantic and full of useless information conjured by the Wizards of Bamboozle to con the Salt Of The Earth out of their rightful inheritance.

    From that perspective, comparing California schools to Oklahoma schools doesn't even make sense, if you think about it. Oklahomans have a set of needs and desires and they work their systems according to their personality, to their goals. It works for them, or at least it has, to a large degree. Certainly the technological revolution changes things, but for a long time the truth is if you're going to work on a farm or a granary or a ranch or a train yard, etc, your education needs to prepare and indoctrinate you to live in that world, to succeed and feel comfortable there. The isolation facilitates and encourages a sort of bubble and the belief system isn't perturbed often by the outside world.

    That is most definitely changing. Climate change and the Internet are not going to tolerate people living in a bubble much longer.

    I wonder if the "division" that people perceive as increased today is really just increasingly realized, and not actually increased. In fact, it is decreasing, but only through the painful process of us becoming acutely aware of just exactly how different things are within some of our bubbles until now, and sorting out the differences.

    Hmm... My, that's uncharacteristically optimistic of me. I'm going to check my temperature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius the God View Post
    Actually, I do not know one way or the other how it will affect others but I do know this, this tax bill fixes no problem, it creates no new revenues, it increases our deficits, it rewards the rich and it makes it impossible to fund needed investments here and in our youth. My two daughters paid no federal income tax last year, how exactly is this going to help them unless Trump sends them money? Most lower income people pay very little in federal income taxes, does this cut their tax bill from 1,000 to 500? No one knows, it was not created in committee, no tax experts testified, no one knows what is in the bill exactly. Hell, even today they found out they just raised taxes on corporations by including the 20% AMT. If you want to debate fellow Californians about policy, at least understand the topic or shut the f up.
    Mr. God,

    Wow, twelve platitudes in one post. That is something of a record, wot?

    By the by, gotta love your humor:

    "Actually, I do not know one way or the other how it will affect others...If you want to debate fellow Californians about policy, at least understand the topic or shut the f up."

    I guess I won't hearing from you again then?
    Last edited by Kallie Knoetze; 5th December 2017 at 08:24 AM.
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    Since I don't live in California, the manner in which it's citizens and residents pay local taxes and spends the related revenue is none of my business. They have the right to operate as they see fit. The reason I could not live in California is because sometimes the ground shakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    Why just write it off? If you are interested in the discussion, maybe reading the links and knowing what's actually being discussed would help. The criteria is in the link.
    First, I'm a hands on parent in my child's education. The school district I live in, in Northern California, is so bad I pulled my youngest out of public school and put her into private school for two years.

    The school district superintendent and I have gone head to head on several issues regarding my child's education. He doesn't address me as Ms Smith; he says 'Hi MeBelle!' Two very good friends of mine are on the school board.

    I worked for the school district for six years.

    So, having a condescending attitude with me does not help further any discussion.

    Your links are bunk!

    US News cherry picked schools.


    Step 2 assessed whether their disadvantaged students – black, Hispanic and low-income – performed at or better than the state average for the least-advantaged students.
    U.S. News compared each school's math and reading proficiency rates for disadvantaged students with the statewide results for these student groups and then selected schools that were performing better than their state averages.


    High schools only passed Step 3 if their rounded graduation rate was 75 percent or greater.

    Step 4: Schools that made it through the first three steps became eligible to be judged nationally on the final step – college-readiness performance – using Advanced Placement test data as the benchmark for success.
    AP is a College Board program that offers college-level courses at high schools across the country.


    From Wiki:

    Advanced Placement (AP) is a program in the United States and Canada created by the College Board which offers college-level curricula and examinations to high school students.
    American colleges and universities may grant placement and course credit to students who obtain high scores on the examinations.
    The AP curriculum for each of the various subjects is created for the College Board by a panel of experts and college-level educators in that field of study.
    For a high school course to have the designation, the course must be audited by the College Board to ascertain that it satisfies the AP curriculum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius the God View Post
    Actually, I do not know one way or the other how it will affect others but I do know this, this tax bill fixes no problem, it creates no new revenues, it increases our deficits, it rewards the rich and it makes it impossible to fund needed investments here and in our youth. My two daughters paid no federal income tax last year, how exactly is this going to help them unless Trump sends them money? Most lower income people pay very little in federal income taxes, does this cut their tax bill from 1,000 to 500? No one knows, it was not created in committee, no tax experts testified, no one knows what is in the bill exactly. Hell, even today they found out they just raised taxes on corporations by including the 20% AMT. If you want to debate fellow Californians about policy, at least understand the topic or shut the f up.
    Mr Knoetze is a fellow Californian.

    Perhaps an apology is in order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWahoo View Post
    Since I don't live in California, the manner in which it's citizens and residents pay local taxes and spends the related revenue is none of my business. They have the right to operate as they see fit. The reason I could not live in California is because sometimes the ground shakes.
    I don't mind earth shakes!

    I was raised in Alaska.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    All of them are Californians. If we get to cut demographics of our choosing out of the metrics to make a specific point in this conversation, then I guess California is #1... when I play by your rule book. :P
    point ... lol!


    Real link:

    https://www.cde.ca.gov/ta/ac/ap/


    https://www.cde.ca.gov/ta/ac/cm/index.asp






    Interesting news:


    California's new school rating system replaces the API | The Sacramento Bee

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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    I just assumed the "fact" cited by our troll friends was bullshit. Actually, it wasn't an assumption. I know exactly how Oklahomans feel about school. A significant portion of them don't take kindly t'yer types, with yer books an'yer fancy words. You get off the beaten path a little bit and they positively embrace their ignorance.

    The good news is they don't mind. They're perfectly happy not shipping kids off to Ivy League schools and such, or befuddling them with book learning. They actually believe all that simplistic Jeebus shit that they've been hearing since birth, and think the rest of the world is pretentious and pedantic and full of useless information conjured by the Wizards of Bamboozle to con the Salt Of The Earth out of their rightful inheritance.

    From that perspective, comparing California schools to Oklahoma schools doesn't even make sense, if you think about it. Oklahomans have a set of needs and desires and they work their systems according to their personality, to their goals. It works for them, or at least it has, to a large degree. Certainly the technological revolution changes things, but for a long time the truth is if you're going to work on a farm or a granary or a ranch or a train yard, etc, your education needs to prepare and indoctrinate you to live in that world, to succeed and feel comfortable there. The isolation facilitates and encourages a sort of bubble and the belief system isn't perturbed often by the outside world.

    That is most definitely changing. Climate change and the Internet are not going to tolerate people living in a bubble much longer.

    I wonder if the "division" that people perceive as increased today is really just increasingly realized, and not actually increased. In fact, it is decreasing, but only through the painful process of us becoming acutely aware of just exactly how different things are within some of our bubbles until now, and sorting out the differences.

    Hmm... My, that's uncharacteristically optimistic of me. I'm going to check my temperature.
    Besides hating on your fellow Native Americans your 'take' on Oklahoma is a failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Yes I have been to Mississippi and CA I will take Mississippi any day. Better Roads, Ole Miss Campus is one of the most beautiful in the nation. Natchez Trace drive is one of the most beautiful drives in the US.. (I have to say Hwy 1 is too).
    Natchez is awesome.

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