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    Why was he picked in the first place? He was already stained. Public exposure forced Mueller to clean the vomit off his staff.
    Oh, good lord! The investigator in question was let go voluntarily for sending a text message! Not the end of the world, but Mueller runs a tight ship. This is such a silly non-issue. Do you not remember how unapologetically partisan Kenneth Starr was during the entire Monica Lewinsky debacle?

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    I guess that NO ONE who works on this case is aloud to have any political opinions? Is that the point of this thread???

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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    Every word of this is speculation. If you don't know why I say that, re-examine the pillars of your statements here. Limit yourself rigorously to facts alone and you will see that none of this is known, not that Trump will ever be impeached, not that he will step down, not that any of those other 3 will be charged. It is speculation based on very little. If you limit your speculation to only facts, it's based on almost nothing.

    I'm very, very familiar with all of it, believe me. I've been rolling my eyes since "THE DOSSIER" made the rounds...as if that fucking word makes it credible and legit. I've heard it over and over and over again from people personally, in my real life, on and on, and tried to point out where they stepped away from the facts onto wishful thinking, speculation, and I understand that they just don't get it.

    Why have we been sending Americans to college for generations to get Liberal Arts educations so they can learn how to think critically if we're just going to be utterly blinded by our biases and be completely unable to think honestly when the shit hits the fan?

    The Trump haters-- whom I agree with 1,000% on every opinion they have on Trump --are little different from religious fundamentalists telling everybody what they "know" to be factually true.







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    'Elementary my dear Watson, ' do you know that this it is what Sherlock Holmes apparently said to his side kick when he had figured out who did what and why? That is basically what I have done here. I have made deductions based on what we know to date. It is no more and no less. What you are talking about is people not looking at the events of the past or rather ignoring them or twisting them to fit their narrative. These are completely different.My deductions are based on past behaviour of prosecutors and past deals and what is typically done. If you don't know that, its on you. Ask anybody involved in the criminal justice system if what I have deduced is what typically happens in cases where a deal is made? You are just being overly cynical based on the Hillary bashing of the past. Those were not deductions based on facts. Those were wish full thinking based on propaganda put out by right wing nut jobs. At no time when they were calling for her to be charged and put in jail was there other people under her charged that could be squeezed to get bigger fish.


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    I didn't say it was proof of collusion with the Russians. I said he was caught lying to the FBI about trying to undermine a sitting President. That would have been under the Logan Act. The FBI didn't charge Flynn under that Act likely because that was dropped along with other charges he could have faced in exchange for his co-operation. That's what turning or flipping means. You give up a bigger fish in exchange for getting charged with lesser crimes and doing less or no time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    DUH and DERP John just like I said to Goofball. Why don't we let Mueller do his job and then we will know what Flynn told Mueller.
    PS you think he hasn't already sang like a bird? HA HA. It doesn't work like that. Flynn would have had to turn over what he knew BEFORE he got the deal. Mueller already knows whatever Flynn had on the bigger fish. I don't know exactly what that was because Mueller's team is not the leaking Titanic that Trump's administration turns out to be, lol. Expect more charges in the coming weeks and then we will know won't we?
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    We do not know the terms of Flynn's deal. We DO NOT KNOW. We only know what you think is typical of such deals.

    From your quote: "The FBI didn't charge Flynn under that Act likely because..." And there you have it. "...likely because..."

    If Trump is found guilty of outright treason, taken out back and shot in disgrace, I will literally find a way to have an actual fucking party.

    Call me when that-- or anything else --actually happens.

    The rest is just noise. And claiming to know things we do not know undermines our credibility. If I were Trump I would plant kernels of stories all over the place like those dirt bags tried to do to the Washington Post, though they were pretty lame about it. Why, I don't know; all you need is the merest suggestion that somebody is going to turn against Trump and that it might be bad for him...and the blogosphere/social media/"news" will positively EXPLODE with the certainty that the end is near and this time for sure...Trump is really going down...no really...yeah, but this time, for real...no really...No I meant this time. Did I say that time? I meant this next time. Okay, no not that one, but THIS ONE FOR SURE.

    It's not a good look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    We do not know the terms of Flynn's deal. We DO NOT KNOW. We only know what you think is typical of such deals.

    Splansing you just don't get it. It not just what I think is typical, IT IS WHAT IS TYPICAL. This is not a guess and I am not pulling it out of my ass. We are allowed to deduce from facts. Can we be wrong? Yes. The likelihood we are wrong based on WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS =VERY LOW

    PS: Don't project on to me what the Hillary haters were doing. They were bat shit crazy and were not basing their assumptions on any solid information. They were listening to Facebook, twitter, blogs, Fox and Friends, Hannity and a bunch of other non credible sources. None of these produced any information that was true that they could base their wishes of locking her up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Splansing you just don't get it. It not just what I think is typical, IT IS WHAT IS TYPICAL. This is not a guess and I am not pulling it out of my ass. We are allowed to deduce from facts. Can we be wrong yes. The likelihood we are based on WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS we won't be wrong.
    Oh, I know we can be wrong.

    Over, and over, and over, and over, and over, we can announce that THE END IS NIGH and Trump will be headless by this time next week.

    And every time, "Just look at the reasoning! What else could it possibly be!!!" with giddy excitement.

    And then, much subdued, "Oh, well, yeah, I guess it could be that...instead, sure..."

    You are not deducing. You are guessing. And your guesses, your completely rational, reasonable, nothing but fact-based deductions, ALWAYS predict that Trump has really had it this time and now the shit is really going to hit the fan.

    Odd how impartial analysis never leads to anything else. Especially considering that it doesn't happen, over and over and over again. Obviously something isn't so impartial here. Obviously the reasoning is getting a pretty good nudge in one direction right off the bat every time.

    Disclaimer: I loathe Trump. But this is exhausting. And it serves Trump and the GOP and Wall Street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post

    Disclaimer: I loathe Trump. But this is exhausting. And it serves Trump and the GOP and Wall Street.
    You can be exhausting. I don't get why making reasoned deductions from facts serves Trump and the GOP and Wall Street? Making unreasoned ones perhaps serves their interests, this is not the case here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    You can be exhausting. I don't get why making reasoned deductions from facts serves Trump and the GOP and Wall Street? Making unreasoned ones perhaps serves their interests, this is not the case here.
    When THE DOSSIER came out Twitter and the blogosphere and the entire jibber-jabbering world couldn't shut up about it. My inbox chimed every 3 minutes with proclamations of impending doom...all based on reasoned deductions of what THE DOSSIER showed us.

    When he fired the head of the FBI, he was surely going to be beheaded within a week.

    When Flynn cut a deal that we know nothing about, that means Jared and Pence and everyone else will soon be in prison.

    Reasoned deductions from facts? That is not what is happening. What is happening is rabidly anti-Trump people fly into a feeding frenzy, piling speculation on top of conclusions based on speculation. The noise rises until it is deafening. It is the opposite of reasonable.

    This discredits everyone involved. It lends credence to Trump's relentless fake news bit. It undermines legitimate efforts. The best way to stop a story from being heard is to drown it in lots of other noise. You are doing that, and Mnuchin and Trump and their ilk are laughing their asses off.
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