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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Nonsense. This would have happened 4 years ago (Obama endorsed the idea) were it not for public outcry that was big enough to send them scurrying back into their holes to regroup their efforts and wait for a more opportune time to attempt it, which it seems they have found. Both the house and the senate were republican controlled then. There's more to democracy than pulling levers.
    Yes, your "both parties are the same" meme is really working out great for the nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Yes, your "both parties are the same" meme is really working out great for the nation.
    I never said that. But you at least acknowledge that Obama endorsed ending net neutrality, as did republicans, and yet even with a republican controlled congress it didn't pass. Why is that?

    This comic book good vs evil storyline is beneath you. As is your this idea that there is nothing we can do but vote for a savior to come rescue us, in a couple years.

    Honestly, I agree with about 99% of everything you write on here, but this is part of the 1%. Also, I don't think Bannon is an anarchist. I think those two things cover pretty much every disagreement between us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    I never said that. But you at least acknowledge that Obama endorsed ending net neutrality, as did republicans, and yet even with a republican controlled congress it didn't pass. Why is that?

    This comic book good vs evil storyline is beneath you. As is your this idea that there is nothing we can do but vote for a savior to come rescue us, in a couple years.

    Honestly, I agree with about 99% of everything you write on here, but this is part of the 1%. Also, I don't think Bannon is an anarchist. I think those two things cover pretty much every disagreement between us.
    The Obama administration implemented the very net neutrality regulations that the Trump administration now seeks to repeal. If you won't take Bannon's own word that he is an anarchist revolutionary, then that's between him and yourself, so far as I'm concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    The Obama administration implemented the very net neutrality regulations that the Trump administration now seeks to repeal. If you won't take Bannon's own word that he is an anarchist revolutionary, then that's between him and yourself, so far as I'm concerned.
    I wouldn't take Bannon's word for it even if he had said that (he didn't, though).

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Sounds about right.



    Sorry, but Google, Twitter and Facebook, and YouTube operate as open commons... so long as you are not breaking laws with their service they should not be allowed to refuse access... much like how a bakery has to bake a gay cake.

    You are opposing that because the net neutrality YOU ARE SUPPORTING will ensure that Google etc can remove any viewpoints they do not approve. So, your net neutrality vote is to allow these platforms to engage in censorship.

    People need to realize that the sales pitch is not the product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    there is an alternative:

    https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/a...unity-networks

    i almost hope their greed looses them their market.
    Private networks are already being utilized and have been for some time. All you need is access to the internet, not an ISP (however they are the sole gatekeepers to the layman).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Can you explain why?
    Because it allows the private sector to pick winners, and losers in the free market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Sorry, but Google, Twitter and Facebook, and YouTube operate as open commons... so long as you are not breaking laws with their service they should not be allowed to refuse access... much like how a bakery has to bake a gay cake.

    You are opposing that because the net neutrality YOU ARE SUPPORTING will ensure that Google etc can remove any viewpoints they do not approve. So, your net neutrality vote is to allow these platforms to engage in censorship.

    People need to realize that the sales pitch is not the product.

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    Google, Facebook, twitter, and youtube are not service providers.

    Google is a web browser. Xfinity is a service provider.

    The service provider is the company you write a monthly check to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Because it allows the private sector to pick winners, and losers in the free market.
    You are thinking of the internet in terms that works for cable tv. It doesn't work the same.

    Your cable provider can only send so many channels of analog data through the cable line. So, they had a cap on how many channels, so they made packages of channels because that made contract negotiations simpler.

    With the internet, if your service provider wanted to do something similar, it would be tantamount to putting a siteblocker... it would create more harm than good, and so there's no interest because just by opening the network is easiest and cheapest option.

    There's no motivation because no service providers do this and for the first one to try would be a devastating move.

    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Google, Facebook, twitter, and youtube are not service providers.

    Google is a web browser. Xfinity is a service provider.

    The service provider is the company you write a monthly check to.
    No, they are content providers who operate as an open commons... a place where people can get together openly.

    The argument you are making will legally allow Google to, for example, refuse to return any results containing 'labrea', Facebook can say "I don't like labrea and her politics, ban them " ... YouTube can say "we do not approve of labrea getting money from videos, so we will demonetize that account"...

    You will still be able to type YouTube.com in your browser, and the service provider will be forced to send you what that site returns... except if it's just a "you are not allowed on the internet" because you pissed off someone at twitter... That is an even stronger form of censorship that you are unwittingly supporting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    FCC's net neutrality repeal sparks backlash | TheHill
    By Harper Neidig










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    First of all, many thanks to all of you who called your Congressman and Senators to protest the egregious move to undo net neutrality. The pressure must be kept on your elected officials however, as that is the only way they are going to understand that we mean business!

    What is happening is the result of electing Republicans to office where they, in turn, can appoint officials who can return to slam it to Internet consumers.

    How many 10's of millions of US users?

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