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    Yes, he is some king.

    He may friendly to us (like I said in my post). But he is still a King - and I prefer to put our democratic allies like Israel first.

    Kings can come second.
    The left love their kings.

    No wonder they sided with the British against our Patriots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    I agree with this.

    If China wants to invade Florida and they take it I'd say more power to ya, you earned it, its yours.

    This is why a strong national defense is necessary, to ensure that China doesn't take Florida, or anywhere else.

    If Palestine wants to fight Israel and takes back "their" land then hey, great job, its yours now.

    This jumping up and down, waving a piece of paper around and claiming it belongs to you just doesn't cut it.

    You want it then go get it or shut up.
    So, you want to go back to the Middle Ages, rule of the strong over the weak, might makes right?

    A lot of borders gonna get redrawn that way.

    Russia already took Crimea, maybe they would want more of Ukraine. Maybe Belarus too. And Northern Kazakhstan (lots of ethnic Russians there too).

    China might decide to take over Taiwan and assert itself further in the South China Sea.

    North Korea could again invade the South.

    Serbia could go after Kosovo once more.

    Etc.

    Where does it stop? When missiles with nuclear warheads start flying around?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Wasn't that supposed to happen last month?

    lol
    It's been suppose to happen every month since he's been elected I think.

    But it's already been a year and still the world has not ended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Entangling alliances.

    Why would you want to rely on a nation that close to being problematic, that is not sound advice.

    Israel is a much safer bet.

    If you leave all internal politics out of it and look at it from a realism point of view then who is the nation over there that can best benefit the US.

    That is Israel.

    Saudi Arabia is up there also.

    We should have no interference in anything going on between the Palestinians and Israel, let them work it out however they want.
    Saudi Arabia has also called for us to not do this, though the stakes are considerably lower RE: their stability I'll admit. Mohammed Bin Salman is one frosty customer.

    And this is direct interference in the Palestinian/Israeli relationship. No Palestinian government can politically afford to come to the table with the U.S. and Israel if the U.S. holds that Jerusalem is a settled question. If the Palestinian Authority under Mahmoud Abbas, or more likely his chosen successor in the coming years, dared to try ... well, you'd end up with Hamas ruling the entire West Bank, for starters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    So, you want to go back to the Middle Ages, rule of the strong over the weak, might makes right?

    A lot of borders gonna get redrawn that way.

    Russia already took Crimea, maybe they would want more of Ukraine. Maybe Belarus too. And Northern Kazakhstan (lots of ethnic Russians there too).

    China might decide to take over Taiwan and assert itself further in the South China Sea.

    North Korea could again invade the South.

    Serbia could go after Kosovo once more.

    Etc.

    Where does it stop? When missiles with nuclear warheads start flying around?
    Hate to tell you but it already works that way lol.

    Always has, I'm just recognizing it.

    If China wants to take Taiwan they would have to fight us, they would lose, might makes right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Yes, he is some king.

    He may friendly to us (like I said in my post). But he is still a King - and I prefer to put our democratic allies like Israel first.

    Kings can come second.
    Jordan is quasi-democratic. They've had legislative elections for a while, and that is slowly inching toward liberalization.

    It's not just a friendly relationship, it's a strategic partnership. To wit, our whole Syria strategy to date pretty much collapses without Jordan's help on too many fronts to count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    So, you want to go back to the Middle Ages, rule of the strong over the weak, might makes right?

    A lot of borders gonna get redrawn that way.

    Russia already took Crimea, maybe they would want more of Ukraine. Maybe Belarus too. And Northern Kazakhstan (lots of ethnic Russians there too).

    China might decide to take over Taiwan and assert itself further in the South China Sea.

    North Korea could again invade the South.

    Serbia could go after Kosovo once more.

    Etc.

    Where does it stop? When missiles with nuclear warheads start flying around?
    Chicken-hawks love war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Saudi Arabia has also called for us to not do this, though the stakes are considerably lower RE: their stability I'll admit. Mohammed Bin Salman is one frosty customer.

    And this is direct interference in the Palestinian/Israeli relationship. No Palestinian government can politically afford to come to the table with the U.S. and Israel if the U.S. holds that Jerusalem is a settled question. If the Palestinian Authority under Mahmoud Abbas, or more likely his chosen successor in the coming years, dared to try ... well, you'd end up with Hamas ruling the entire West Bank, for starters.
    My opinion is theoretical, I don't have the in-depth knowledge of that area as you apparently do.
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    I am curious to get your feedback since you all seem to support the decision to move the Embassy.

    I can see making a decision for the greater good of something else like saving a group of people from certain death or liberating slaves or something like that but here I don't see it. What overall good does it do if it results in innocent people being killed in retaliation? It's like poking the bear with a stick. Yes, the bear kills but why go out of your way to get it to attack you? For me personally it isn't worth being the target of terrorists just because of Trump's decision. I see no greater good to the sacrifice. Is it worth it to you? Why is it worth it to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Jordan is quasi-democratic. They've had legislative elections for a while, and that is slowly inching toward liberalization.

    It's not just a friendly relationship, it's a strategic partnership. To wit, our whole Syria strategy to date pretty much collapses without Jordan's help on too many fronts to count.
    Our relationship to Israel is strategic as well - and they are also democratic and not ruled by a King.

    They are also the stronger ally. So it really would make no sense to me to put the interests of some Jordanian King above that of the people of Israel.

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