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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    My opinion is theoretical, I don't have the in-depth knowledge of that area as you apparently do.
    What you need to know first and foremost is that the U.S. has had a law on the books "recognizing" Jerusalem as the capital for years.

    That was a sufficient statement. The lawmakers who made that happen wisely put a caveat in for the president. If he feels that it's not in the best interests of the U.S. to execute the law, he can put it off. And all of Trump's predecessors continually have, for virtually the same reasons. We want the Palestinians to talk to us even when they won't talk to Israel, and no Palestinian president/governor/whatever can afford to do that if we say Jerusalem is a settled issue.

    Making (additional) statements doesn't really matter in that context, we need these folks to talk to us. It's dumb to say we don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Our relationship to Israel is strategic as well - and they are also democratic and not ruled by a King.

    They are also the stronger ally. So it really would make no sense to me to put the interests of some Jordanian King above that of the people of Israel.
    False dichotomy. Israel and Jordan are also close allies (unofficially). Abdullah solves a lot of problems for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Chicken-hawks love war.
    Recognizing the way the world works does not make someone a chicken-hawk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    What you need to know first and foremost is that the U.S. has had a law on the books "recognizing" Jerusalem as the capital for years.

    That was a sufficient statement. The lawmakers who made that happen wisely put a caveat in for the president. If he feels that it's not in the best interests of the U.S. to execute the law, he can put it off. And all of Trump's predecessors continually have, for virtually the same reasons. We want the Palestinians to talk to us even when they won't talk to Israel, and no Palestinian president/governor/whatever can afford to do that if we say Jerusalem is a settled issue.

    Making (additional) statements doesn't really matter in that context, we need these folks to talk to us. It's dumb to say we don't.
    You won't have peace in that area until it is a settled issue.

    That's the problem.

    As long as Palestine keeps thinking they have a chance the conflict will continue.

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    There are more and more scholars who are starting to question whether the current Jews are in fact the descendants of the Israelites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Recognizing the way the world works does not make someone a chicken-hawk.
    If you don't know very much about the U.S.' codependency with Jordan, and Jordan's codependency with Israel, you don't really recognize how the world works ... at least not this part of it. Knowledge is required for that type of recognition, and that's a biggun of a blank spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    False dichotomy. Israel and Jordan are also close allies (unofficially). Abdullah solves a lot of problems for them.
    I never said Israel and Jordon were enemies - nor did I compare them that way. So there was dichotomy in the first place, let alone a false one.

    What I said is we should put what Israel wants above what the King of Jordon wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    You won't have peace in that area until it is a settled issue.

    That's the problem.

    As long as Palestine keeps thinking they have a chance the conflict will continue.
    So then, they need to be stamped out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    If you don't know very much about the U.S.' codependency with Jordan, and Jordan's codependency with Israel, you don't really recognize how the world works ... at least not this part of it. Knowledge is required for that type of recognition, and that's a biggun of a blank spot.
    The context of that comment had to do with recognizing that the strong survive.

    That's just a fact of life and the way the world works.

    It wasn't about Jordon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    I never said Israel and Jordon were enemies - nor did I compare them that way. So there was dichotomy in the first place, let alone a false one.

    What I said is we should put what Israel wants above what the King of Jordon wants.
    Israel doesn't want to piss off the Jordanians, Egyptians and the Saudis. I don't think even Netanyahu wants to do that, though he's on his way out anyway ... Israel cannot afford, on the domestic political front, to say "we're fine with not getting U.S. recognition of Israeli Jerusalem." But it certainly does not want to fundamentally destabilize its tenuous ties to the Arabs --- things are a little bit closer with Jordan --- in the name of seeing that happen.

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