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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    Couple different issues in play there:

    1) Anyone Mueller picks, Trump and his supporters (not to be confused with "conservatives," there is some overlap, but these groups are not fungible) aren't going to be happy with because the investigation appears to be aimed largely at Trump. So, lawyer or no, liberal or no, isn't going to matter much to that group.

    2) The mere fact of being liberal (or conservative) is beside the point. Every human being is going to fall into some camp. The issue, at least according the OP's question, is agents being ACTIVELY partisan.

    3) There are plenty of conservative lawyers, but I agree that more of those who work in and around the federal government tend to be liberal.
    I dont know if there is overlap, but years ago I worked for the DOD and the rules were pretty clear. We werent allowed to donate money to political candidates, no campaigning or outward support (yard signs, bumper stickers etc) and we werent allowed to sign any petitions regarding politics. I am sure nowadays with social media that has grown to include all sorts of social sites. Basically you could vote and discuss politics privately but that was it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Ok but when you have Trump and right wing media who on day one, said Mueller was "stacking the deck with Clinton Foundation lawyers" and now we found out that at least 3 were? How does that look? Remember the MSM said he was nuts and insane and of course Mueller had vetted these lawyers and none were affiliated with the Clinton Foundation. It just looks bad, it isnt about partisanship but rather who they worked for previously. I would think anyone being investigated would be furious at their competitors doing the investigating.
    Tough shit. Don't commit crimes and you won't have to worry about the ideological inclinations of the people investigating your criminal behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Tough shit. Don't commit crimes and you won't have to worry about the ideological inclinations of the people investigating your criminal behavior.
    What crime exactly do you feel has been committed and by whom? Do you have anything beyond Flynn? This should be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    What crime exactly do you feel has been committed and by whom? Do you have anything beyond Flynn? This should be good.
    The documents made public on Friday show that the transition team knew that Mr. Flynn was going to be discussing sanctions with the then ambassador, Sergey I. Kislyak, and raise new questions about what President-elect Trump knew about the conversations.
    The following day, President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia announced that Moscow would not retaliate against the United States for its latest round of sanctions, surprising some in the Obama administration who had expected an aggressive response from Mr. Putin.

    In response to Mr. Putin’s announcement, Mr. Trump praised the Russian president.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/01/u...sanctions.html

    I wonder why Putin said he wouldn't retaliate?

    The Logan Act "Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    What crime exactly do you feel has been committed and by whom? Do you have anything beyond Flynn? This should be good.
    I'm not prosecuting the case. Mueller has already leveled some charges and gotten a couple of guilty pleas. That never happened during the hyper-partisan investigations against President Obama or Hillary Clinton.

    Mueller is a Republican. He was appointed by a Republican. It's not his fault that he's charged with investigating fellow Republicans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    There has never been a member of the FBI or of the DOJ who did not have personal political leanings. Were that a reason to abandon a criminal investigation, then we'd never be able to investigate any crimes whatsoever.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    This!

    I hated Richard Nixon every day of my working for his IRS and DEA.
    We agents knew he was abusing his authority by demanding we act to go after his political enemies.
    (Case in point was Nixon wanting us to seize cars and other property of Vietnam war protesters who refused to pay their federal telephone excise tax portion of their phone bill as a war protest. Publius and I have chatted about this which I feel was an abuse of Nixon's power)
    We IRS agents managed to do our jobs while quietly avoiding Nixon's unlawful orders.

    Feds will always be biased because most of us are smart and try to defend the constitution, not any particular politician.....but that doesn't stop us from performing investigations with integrity.
    Last edited by Devil505; 6th December 2017 at 04:29 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/01/u...sanctions.html

    I wonder why Putin said he wouldn't retaliate?
    Please list all convictions under the Logan act so far in history. Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    I'm not prosecuting the case. Mueller has already leveled some charges and gotten a couple of guilty pleas. That never happened during the hyper-partisan investigations against President Obama or Hillary Clinton.

    Mueller is a Republican. He was appointed by a Republican. It's not his fault that he's charged with investigating fellow Republicans.
    So you can't name an actual crime? OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    The FBI lady was kinda right.

    Having integrity doesn't mean you are trying to find the truth. It means that you already know the truth and that you aren't afraid to stand up for it - hence letting your voice be the strongest and most heard.
    How is having the strongest and most heard voice in any way, any way whatsoever, related to being correct? Or even honest? Or even seriously trying to be helpful?

    The two have nothing to do with each other.

    Being vocal just means ... loud. It’s just ... noise.

    It’s no reflection on integrity, relevance, helpfulness, and certainly no reflection on honesty or accuracy.


    It’s the worldview of baboons.

    I was shocked to think that a law enforcement agent would confuse self-confidence with integrity. It’s a recipe for complete disaster.


    Exactly the kind of thinking that says “My son is the only person I know who is only loyal to me, so I’ll put him in a flack jacket and make him in charge of negotiating a middle eastern peace process.”

    “He’ll figure it out. He’s really good at expressing his self-confidence”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Please list all convictions under the Logan act so far in history. Thanks in advance.
    Are you done compiling your list of Logan Act convictions yet?

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