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    Quote Originally Posted by jacobfitcher View Post
    12 people...12 found in favour of the defendant. Yet I see members here finding him guilty even though they weren't at the trial, didn't hear the evidence and didn't hear the judge's directions. You'd think at least ONE of the 12 would have found him guilty if there was any doubt.
    There are many here who are well aware of the basic facts that a woman died, she was shot, we know who pulled the trigger, and liberal juries are f-ed in the head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    So wait... Are we supposed to believe that this guy had no idea that pulling the trigger of a gun would cause it to fire?
    WE aren't supposed to believe anything. The message of the defense was entirely to the jury. But yes, the defense apparently claimed that he was unaware that the slightest touch to a trigger might fire that particular weapon. Honestly, it doesn't seem that unbelievable to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    Backwards...they knew he was an illegal and needed to set him free. Kate is of lower status then a sea lion and a criminal illegal. That's how San Fran operates.
    That's just stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    WE aren't supposed to believe anything. The message of the defense was entirely to the jury. But yes, the defense apparently claimed that he was unaware that the slightest touch to a trigger might fire that particular weapon. Honestly, it doesn't seem that unbelievable to me.
    That "slightest touch" part is pure garbage. The murder weapon was a Sig Sauer P239 with a single action trigger pull of 5 lbs. and a double action pull of 9 lbs. Even if Zarate had previously racked the slide making single action mode available (which is a very intentional act requiring considerably more force than a trigger pull btw) 5 lbs. is not "the slightest touch", and a double action weapon would not normally be carried cocked so there is virtually no chance that it was in that condition when Zarate stole it from the BLM ranger. Hence Zarate almost certainly applied 9 lbs. of force on the trigger. That is no accident, and really neither is a 5 lb. trigger pull.
    Alleged Murder Weapon In Death Of Kate Steinle Has Safeties Designed To Prevent Accidental Discharge, Says Expert Testimony: SFist

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    That "slightest touch" part is pure garbage. The murder weapon was a Sig Sauer P239 with a single action trigger pull of 5 lbs. and a double action pull of 9 lbs. Even if Zarate had previously racked the slide making single action mode available (which is a very intentional act requiring considerably more force than a trigger pull btw) 5 lbs. is not "the slightest touch", and a double action weapon would not normally be carried cocked so there is virtually no chance that it was in that condition when Zarate stole it from the BLM ranger. Hence Zarate almost certainly applied 9 lbs. of force on the trigger. That is no accident, and really neither is a 5 lb. trigger pull.
    Alleged Murder Weapon In Death Of Kate Steinle Has Safeties Designed To Prevent Accidental Discharge, Says Expert Testimony: SFist
    I honestly have no idea what 5 or 9 lbs of force feels like. Your link quotes the defense as saying that Zarate might have accidentally discharged the weapon while feeling around in the bundle of clothes that he found it in. He suggested jurors be able to feel the amount of pressure needed to fire the gun, and apparently the judge disallowed that suggestion--perhaps the prosecution objected, and maybe the jurors heard that objection. This is just the sort of juries make decisions about--determining for themselves the truth behind conflating claims. They didn't get a chance to prove it to themselves, and their conclusion in the lack of evidence favored the defendant. I think that's the way American justice is supposed to work.

    But what do I know? I've been kept off of juries because in voi dire I said I don't automatically trust the word of a police officer over anyone else just because they are a police officer. If there were a case where the defense wanted me to have direct experience of something and the prosecution objected, that would make me suspicious of the prosecution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I honestly have no idea what 5 or 9 lbs of force feels like.
    It feels like 5 or 9 pounds. Lift a gallon of milk with your trigger finger and tell me if it's just "the slightest touch".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    It feels like 5 or 9 pounds. Lift a gallon of milk with your trigger finger and tell me if it's just "the slightest touch".
    That would seem to contradict court testimony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    There are many here who are well aware of the basic facts that a woman died, she was shot, we know who pulled the trigger, and liberal juries are f-ed in the head.
    So EVERYONE on the jury was a liberal? Because they live in San Francisco, is that your "reasoning?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    That would seem to contradict court testimony.
    "Lawyers" are "liars". Professional ones too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    "Lawyers" are "liars". Professional ones too.
    And yet the judge didn't let the jury feel the actual trigger. And lawyers can't make up evidence.
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