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    The jury probably didn't know that the defendant was a Mexican. That's probably why they reached the wrong verdict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    The OP suggests that it was not proven it was his intention to fire the gun. I don't think it's illegal to accidentally discharge a weapon.
    And yet he did. Which means he would have had to put pressure on the trigger. You can't fire a gun by stepping on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    So wait...it's legal to fire a gun in San Francisco city limits?
    Here's a lawyer's site commenting on this law:

    Under California Penal Code 246.3 PC, you commit the crime of “negligent discharge of a firearm” if you:

    Willfully discharge a firearm,

    In a grossly negligent manner,

    Which could result in someone's injury or death.

    While it may sound as if the crime of “negligently discharging a firearm” includes accidentally shooting a gun, in fact that is not the case. You are only guilty under Penal Code 246.3 if you willfully—that is, intentionally—pull the trigger.2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    And yet he did. Which means he would have had to put pressure on the trigger. You can't fire a gun by stepping on it.
    So it's your contention that anytime a weapon is discharged, it's intentional? That would seem to eliminate a lot of defenses against this charge.

    I don't know exactly what evidence the jury heard, but determining if his action was willful is certainly a decision the jury would make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Unless you sat on the jury and saw all the presented evidence, I don't think it's the public's place to question a jury's ultimate decision.
    Oh I do...they should be questioned. Think about this Jen... what happened to Katie, could happen to us. I am terrified at the thought of some idiot who fires a shot in public and can put me in a wheelchair..(my biggest fear) and walk away from the charges a free man because of a technicality or maybe political bullshit. From what I read, manslaughter was on the table for the jury to decide. This case could be used as a precedent and many will walk on "gun accidents". We, as a society, can question whatever we want when it comes to public safety. Part of our tax dollars is used toward public safety. The results of this trial..makes me to never want to leave the house again. If we want to work on gun control...accidents are a good place to start and our race, immigration status, etc...should never enter the picture. Juries are made up of human beings...and bias is not unheard of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Oh I do...they should be questioned. Think about this Jen... what happened to Katie, could happen to us. I am terrified at the thought of some idiot who fires a shot in public and can put me in a wheelchair..(my biggest fear) and walk away from the charges a free man because of a technicality or maybe political bullshit. From what I read, manslaughter was on the table for the jury to decide. This case could be used as a precedent and many will walk on "gun accidents". We, as a society, can question whatever we want when it comes to public safety. Part of our tax dollars is used toward public safety. The results of this trial..makes me to never want to leave the house again. If we want to work on gun control...accidents are a good place to start and our race, immigration status, etc...should never enter the picture. Juries are made up of human beings...and bias is not unheard of.
    Precedent has been set?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    The OP suggests that it was not proven it was his intention to fire the gun. I don't think it's illegal to accidentally discharge a weapon.
    It should be. Any adult should be responsible when they pick up a gun. If I am speeding and run over a kid, I would most definitely be charged with manslaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Precedent has been set?
    Not yet, I imagine, but for future cases a silver tongued lawyer could pull the case for a defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    The OP suggests that it was not proven it was his intention to fire the gun. I don't think it's illegal to accidentally discharge a weapon.
    In most places it is illegal. In all of CA it is.

    https://www.shouselaw.com/pc246-3.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Oh I do...they should be questioned. Think about this Jen... what happened to Katie, could happen to us. I am terrified at the thought of some idiot who fires a shot in public and can put me in a wheelchair..(my biggest fear) and walk away from the charges a free man because of a technicality or maybe political bullshit. From what I read, manslaughter was on the table for the jury to decide. This case could be used as a precedent and many will walk on "gun accidents". We, as a society, can question whatever we want when it comes to public safety. Part of our tax dollars is used toward public safety. The results of this trial..makes me to never want to leave the house again. If we want to work on gun control...accidents are a good place to start and our race, immigration status, etc...should never enter the picture. Juries are made up of human beings...and bias is not unheard of.
    Juries are SUPPOSED to make determinations that are subjective. They decide who is telling the truth and who is lying, for example. In this case, it appears that the jury did not believe that this person willfully discharged the firearm. I don't know, I wasn't there. I don't know what the jury heard to make them decide it wasn't intentional. But it is absolutely the sort of thing that a jury would decide, based on the testimony and other evidence in the case.

    I don't think that qualifies as a "technicality." It might be bad judgment on the part of 12 people, but I see no evidence that it's "political bullshit." It would be hard to find 12 jurors who all took the same, extreme, political viewpoint via a typical selection process.
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