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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Let's see how many conservatives were on that jury.

    Where was the trial held again?
    Why does that matter? It was tried the way all criminal trials are conducted--in the county where the alleged crime was committed. Should we guarantee liberals on juries in Alabama?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    Yeah no. That is like saying it's ok to run from police if one is wanted. Because any reasonable person who is wanted would want to evade police.
    I'm not saying it's okay. I'm saying that it's a reason not to call the police when he saw the gun. I believe it was inside some kind of bag, not sitting out obviously looking like a gun from several feet away. To avoid committing a crime, a person has to behave reasonably. It really comes down to whether the jury thought he fired the gun willfully. They didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    The shooter fired a weapon on a populate walkway.

    At one point he reportedly claimed he as shooting at a sea lion? Not sure if that part was in the trial.
    He changed his story...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Except that 1) the act of possessing the gun was not the proximate cause of the death, so it is not implicated in the act of firing the gun, and 2) the jury apparently was convinced that he did not willfully fire the gun. This dispenses with both your points.
    This jury must have literally believed that the gun fired itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pureinheart View Post
    He changed his story...
    I especially like his story that someone must have just discarded the gun on the pier. That pier was sitting on an entire ocean and whoever wanted to get rid of it just left it sitting there instead of dropping it into the water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    This jury must have literally believed that the gun fired itself.
    Or that the trigger was so light that it it went off at a touch that the defendant didn't believe would cause it to fire. They wanted to actually feel it, remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    I especially like his story that someone must have just discarded the gun on the pier. That pier was sitting on an entire ocean and whoever wanted to get rid of it just left it sitting there instead of dropping it into the water.
    Again, it has entirely to do with how the information was presented to them at trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    So wait...it's legal to fire a gun in San Francisco city limits?
    It is now... if you are an illegal alien. Don't try it Mr. White Guy, you will likely receive life with all your assets forfeited to the city treasury and used to house new Democratic voters (illegal aliens).

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    This case could be used as a precedent and many will walk on "gun accidents".
    Not as a legal precedent, it cannot. No law was made by the court in this criminal trial; only a factual determination was made by the jury.

    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Juries are made up of human beings...and bias is not unheard of.
    Yet there is no evidence of bias here. Bias is being attributed to the jury based on the substance of its finding - i.e., by people who wanted a different result. That demonstrates their biases, not the jury's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Or that the trigger was so light that it it went off at a touch that the defendant didn't believe would cause it to fire. They wanted to actually feel it, remember.
    So wait... Are we supposed to believe that this guy had no idea that pulling the trigger of a gun would cause it to fire?

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