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    Alternate Juror on Steinle Murder Trial

    Just as I suspected, the jury followed the law and got the verdict right. The prosecution tried to overreach.

    Jose Ines Garcia Zarate, the undocumented immigrant who was accused of killing Steinle, was charged with first degree murder and the lesser included offenses of second degree murder and involuntary manslaughter. When the prosecution rested its case, it seemed clear to me that the evidence didn’t support the requirements of premeditation or malice aforethought (intentional recklessness or killing) for the murder charges. After having heard the evidence, I agreed with the defense’s opinion that the murder charges should not have been brought. The evidence didn't show that Garcia Zarate intended to kill anyone.
    But why the manslaughter acquittal? Most of the confusion I've encountered has been over this part of the verdict, and it does seem to me personally that manslaughter is the appropriate charge for Steinle’s killing. However, given the evidence and the law presented in this trial, it is clear to me that the jury made the right decision.

    The involuntary manslaughter charge that the jury was read included two key requirements: 1) A crime was committed in the act that caused death; 2) The defendant acted with "criminal negligence"—he did something that an ordinary person would have known was likely to lead to someone's death.
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...t-botch-216016

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    So wait...it's legal to fire a gun in San Francisco city limits?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Just as I suspected, the jury followed the law and got the verdict right. The prosecution tried to overreach.





    https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...t-botch-216016
    The shooter fired a weapon on a populate walkway.

    At one point he reportedly claimed he as shooting at a sea lion? Not sure if that part was in the trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    So wait...it's legal to fire a gun in San Francisco city limits?
    Was that the charge being prosecuted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Was that the charge being prosecuted?
    The involuntary manslaughter charge that the jury was read included two key requirements: 1) A crime was committed in the act that caused death; 2) The defendant acted with "criminal negligence"—he did something that an ordinary person would have known was likely to lead to someone's death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    The involuntary manslaughter charge that the jury was read included two key requirements: 1) A crime was committed in the act that caused death; 2) The defendant acted with "criminal negligence"—he did something that an ordinary person would have known was likely to lead to someone's death.
    So, that's a "no", I guess?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Just as I suspected, the jury followed the law and got the verdict right. The prosecution tried to overreach.





    https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...t-botch-216016

    Agree that the 1st degree murder charge was sort of ridiculous.

    But how exactly do you see involuntary manslaughter as an overreach?

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    Maybe these new charges will stick

    A federal grand jury has indicted the undocumented immigrant who was acquitted last week of murder and manslaughter charges in the case of Kate Steinle. The Mexican national, Jose Ines Garcia Zarate, will face new immigration and gun charges.

    That case drew national attention after then-candidate Donald Trump raised it as a justification for his proposed crackdown on illegal immigration and sanctuary cities.

    Garcia Zarate has been indicted on charges of being a felon in possession of a firearm and ammunition and for being an illegally present alien on possession of a firearm. Either violation carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...e-steinle-case
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    Gotta love the regressives defending the killer, which is precisely what they are doing. They have ZERO credibility on other issues because of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    Gotta love the regressives defending the killer, which is precisely what they are doing. They have ZERO credibility on other issues because of this.
    I'm not defending him. I'm pointing out that the jury came to the only conclusion they could based on the case and the instructions they were given.
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