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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Nope the President can, on his own, pass certain sanctions, on his own.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/2798
    And yet Trump didn’t rip up sanctions, so it would seem your OP is full of shit.

    In fact, Trump recently submitted more Russia sanctions to Congress.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/u...sanctions.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    At least one member of the Trump campaign violated the Logan Act. But it's looking like many members of the campaign knew. I'll bet they're quaking in their boots.
    Yeah, a law that not one person has been convicted of violating in over 200 years it has been in affect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Maybe someone can explain it to me, but I don't see why this story is significant. If this phone call took place after Trump took the oath, it's not a Logan Act violation. A transition team can PLAN whatever it wants. How is Flynn's phone call, in itself, problematic?
    Because of this:

    In June 2015, retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn took a little-noticed trip to Egypt and Israel, paid for by a U.S. company he was advising. The company hoped to build more than two dozen nuclear plants in the region, in partnership with Russian interests.

    Investigators for the special counsel have been examining whether Flynn hid foreign business dealings, particularly work he did for Turkish interests during the campaign, according to people familiar with the probe. The nuclear venture is yet another instance in which Flynn appeared to have a personal stake in an international project while he was advising Trump in 2016, giving prosecutors one more potential avenue to pressure him to cooperate. Flynn remained involved in the Middle Eastern nuclear project from the spring of 2015 to the end of 2016, according to recent financial disclosure filings, a period that partially overlapped with his role as a prominent adviser to Trump’s campaign and transition.

    Flynn served as an adviser to two Washington-based companies pursuing efforts to build nuclear power plants in the Middle East: ACU Strategic Partners, which proposed a partnership with Russian interests, and IP3/IronBridge, which later launched a separate endeavor that initially proposed working with China to build the infrastructure, according to federal documents and company officials. In various filings in 2016 and 2017, Flynn did not initially disclose his connection to ACU and foreign contacts he made while advising the firm.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.76395810e157
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Talking is not negotiating.

    In fact, until he was inaugurated it wasn't possible to negotiate anything.

    Soon to be presidents make promises to all types before they actually become president you know.

    Its not against any law, this is just the left finally hitting the bottom of the barrel.

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    That's the point! They were negotiating with a foreign adversary before the inauguration!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    Yeah, a law that not one person has been convicted of violating in over 200 years it has been in affect.

    Derp!
    That's because no one has been so stupid or venial.

    21/ So here's the one exception to that rule (and the one time we'd expect The Logan Act—a criminal statute—to be relevant):

    a) The private citizen is on a presidential transition team; and
    b) the foreign government is a hostile power that seeks to undermine the U.S. government.
    16/ In common parlance, initiating a dialogue with someone whose result you intend to be the influencing of their measures and/or conduct is called a "negotiation."

    The Logan Act prohibits private citizens negotiating U.S. policy—measures and/or conduct—with foreign governments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    That's the point! They were negotiating with a foreign adversary before the inauguration!
    Before inauguration, but after the election...

    Of course you do that, you want to let other countries know what kind of deals are going to stay, what's going to change, and probably how to best work together productively... Especially with other nuclear powers, seems a prudent move.

    It's not like anything was going to change, the faithless elector strategy was extremely unlikely to work from the start.

    Might as well be complaining, "trump puts his pants on one leg at a time, that's illegal". Give me a break.

    Or are you just pissed off that there's not going to be a war with Russia? What's the motivation here? You realize that in a nuclear war both the us and Russia would be reduced to craters and ashes... Why are you not pleased that this is far less likely to happen than if Clinton was running the show?

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    Mr. Flynn had worked on a business venture to partner with Russia to build nuclear power plants in the Middle East until June 2016, but remained close with the people involved afterward. On Inauguration Day, as he sat behind the president listening to the inaugural address, Mr. Flynn, according to the whistle-blower, texted the former business associate to say that the project was “good to go.”

    The account is detailed in a letter written by Representative Elijah Cummings of Maryland, the top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee. In the letter, Mr. Cummings said that the whistle-blower contacted his office in June and has authorized him to go public with the details. He did not name the whistle-blower.



    These grave allegations compel a full, credible and bipartisan congressional investigation,” Mr. Cummings wrote. In his letter, Mr. Cummings also said that his staff had been in consultations with Mr. Mueller’s team, which brought the criminal charge against Mr. Flynn. Staffers for the special counsel asked Mr. Cummings not to make the whistle-blower’s account public until “they completed certain investigative steps,” he wrote.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/u...smtyp=cur&_r=0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    That's the point! They were negotiating with a foreign adversary before the inauguration!
    Obama had no problem with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    That's because no one has been so stupid or venial.





    https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/sta...16893448245248
    Well...if it is on Twitter it must be true.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Mr. Flynn had worked on a business venture to partner with Russia to build nuclear power plants in the Middle East until June 2016, but remained close with the people involved afterward. On Inauguration Day, as he sat behind the president listening to the inaugural address, Mr. Flynn, according to the whistle-blower, texted the former business associate to say that the project was “good to go.”

    The account is detailed in a letter written by Representative Elijah Cummings of Maryland, the top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee. In the letter, Mr. Cummings said that the whistle-blower contacted his office in June and has authorized him to go public with the details. He did not name the whistle-blower.



    These grave allegations compel a full, credible and bipartisan congressional investigation,” Mr. Cummings wrote. In his letter, Mr. Cummings also said that his staff had been in consultations with Mr. Mueller’s team, which brought the criminal charge against Mr. Flynn. Staffers for the special counsel asked Mr. Cummings not to make the whistle-blower’s account public until “they completed certain investigative steps,” he wrote.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/u...smtyp=cur&_r=0
    So, trump gets sworn in and starts work within minutes... Oh how terrible.

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