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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    Congress passes sanctions, how was the Trump administration going to rip them up.
    They did not know this when Trump was inaugurated. He delayed them as long as he could.

    Trump administration belatedly takes step toward new Russia sanctions - LA Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    Ask Flynn. He tweeted it from the dais AT THE INAUGURAL.
    Congress did not pass the sanctions until after.it took Trump forever,( until August to even begin to implement them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    I doubt that anyone will be prosecuted for violating the Logan Act, although violating it in this manner does amount to collusion with a foreign adversary, and that's not behavior that anyone should be proud of, whether or not they are prosecuted for their actions. It is more likely the tangential crimes that were committed due to the collusion with the Russians that will lead to prosecutions, as has been the case thus far.
    I dont think anyone has ever been convicted of violating the Logan Act have they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I dont think anyone has ever been convicted of violating the Logan Act have they?
    No, but here's a very interesting article in relation to the act.

    https://www.npr.org/2017/02/14/51527...does-it-matter

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Same thing every darn time

    You do know that Flynn was in Trump's inner circle for a very long time right? This put's the investigation into the heart of the WH. Not a coincidence that all of sudden that the attacks on Mueller have heated up by the most loyal Trump supporters.

    His info is not "tainted" in any way - why do you think Mueller targeted him for the plea deal instead of say, Manafort?

    Wonder what your next excuse will be when the next shoe drops (and I'm betting it will).
    Lmao... so corrupt you don't even realize what you are saying ... I am still shocked that you are looked to for objective decisions.

    Anyway, you should really bet your house on this one because you've been wrong EVERY OTHER TIME... but I'm sure this time you are right and Trump will be impeached.

    So what if Flynn was in the inner circle, he ONLY value to the FBI is as a liar. Do you really find the word of a liar to be valuable... oh wait, you EXCLUSIVELY trust liars.

    The tainted evidence is because of FBI agents being fired for bias... yes, when people who are supposed to be able to demonstrate their objectivity and they prove they are unable to be objective they SHOULD be fired... and their findings are tainted because you can question "was this real evidence or was this just the biased agent trying for a promotion?"

    Since you can't know for sure, that evidence is disregarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Lmao... so corrupt you don't even realize what you are saying ... I am still shocked that you are looked to for objective decisions.

    Anyway, you should really bet your house on this one because you've been wrong EVERY OTHER TIME... but I'm sure this time you are right and Trump will be impeached.

    So what if Flynn was in the inner circle, he ONLY value to the FBI is as a liar. Do you really find the word of a liar to be valuable... oh wait, you EXCLUSIVELY trust liars.

    The tainted evidence is because of FBI agents being fired for bias... yes, when people who are supposed to be able to demonstrate their objectivity and they prove they are unable to be objective they SHOULD be fired... and their findings are tainted because you can question "was this real evidence or was this just the biased agent trying for a promotion?"

    Since you can't know for sure, that evidence is disregarded.
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    Is it worth pointing out that prior to Trump, our leaders have been publicly, openly in bed with the Saudis and others around the globe pretty much forever, whoever has the resources we want. Bending over for the Saudis, for some reason, doesn't ring as nicely in the papers as climbing into bed with THE RUSSIANS.

    Maybe Trump can help us drain the swamp, even if he doesn't know it. Maybe people can see how shit gets done by these people ACROSS THE BOARD and realize because of Trump's brazen flippant attitude about it that it's wrong and they don't like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    And when did you prove contact with Russians? AFTER INAUGURATION.

    Or is talking to a Russian a crime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    And when did you prove contact with Russians? AFTER INAUGURATION.

    Or is talking to a Russian a crime?
    Flynn discussed official US policy with the Russians before the inauguration. That is illegal. And for good reason. Obama was still president and our official policies were his policies - NOT Trump's. You can't have two presidents at one time. It was NOT okay for anyone on Trump's transition team to discuss official US policy changes with foreign governments.

    Several current and former U.S. officials say National Security Adviser Michael Flynn discussed new sanctions imposed on Russia by the Obama administration during conversations with that country’s ambassador in December. That may be illegal, and to make matters worse, it contradicts denials made by senior members of the Trump administration, including Vice-President Mike Pence.

    The Washington Post reported on Thursday that nine current and former U.S. officials who had access to intercepted communications between Flynn and Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak say that Flynn made explicit references to election-related sanctions. Two said Flynn even urged Russia not to overreact. “Kislyak was left with the impression that the sanctions would be revisited at a later time,” said one former official.

    When the Post asked Flynn on Wednesday if he ever discussed sanctions with Kislyak, he said no. Then, on Thursday, his spokesman walked that back, saying Flynn “indicated that while he had no recollection of discussing sanctions, he couldn’t be certain that the topic never came up.”

    Flynn exchanged phone calls and texts with Kislyak a day before the Obama administration imposed new sanctions and expelled 35 Russian diplomats over the Kremlin’s alleged attempt to meddle in the U.S. election. The Logan Act, an obscure 1799 statute, makes it illegal for civilians to negotiate with foreign governments in disputes involving the U.S. government. It’s unclear if someone could be successfully prosecuted under the act today, but regardless, it does not look good for Trump’s top national security adviser to be discussing policy with Russia as the nation is being punished for its alleged efforts to swing the election in Trump’s favor.
    Flynn Talked Sanctions With Russia Pre-Inauguration: Report

    How can you possibly think it's okay for civilians to discuss official US policies with foreign nations - especially an adversary and discuss reversing punishment for attempting to harm our electoral system?! WTF is wrong with you people?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Flynn discussed official US policy with the Russians before the inauguration. That is illegal. And for good reason. Obama was still president and our official policies were his policies - NOT Trump's. You can't have two presidents at one time. It was NOT okay for anyone on Trump's transition team to discuss official US policy changes with foreign governments.



    Flynn Talked Sanctions With Russia Pre-Inauguration: Report

    How can you possibly think it's okay for civilians to discuss official US policies with foreign nations - especially an adversary and discuss reversing punishment for attempting to harm our electoral system?! WTF is wrong with you people?!
    The charges do not reflect your opinions.

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