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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    He wasn't cutting medicare he was cutting the INCREASES in medicare.. oops. poor kitty so uninformed.
    I'm hoping that the effort for reduced Medicare and Medicaid spending will be tied to addressing the fraud and abuse of these programs. I'm thinking the move from hospital inpatient to outpatient and ambulatory services, perhaps even home care, will continue. I would suggest to those that want a government operated single payer system should take note. The current move to reduce Medicare and Medicaid is a forerunner of what will happen if our entire system is dependent on government (aka taxpayer) funding. When the system out strips its financing (as based on other single payer systems, it will surely do) then the need for such reductions will impact everyone, not just seniors and the poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    it is common sense more people with jobs less people need welfare.

    Hell for the first time in years the welfare rolls have declined because millions got Jobs, and Millions more got their Obama part time jobs upsized to full time.


    Food Stamp Usage Has Fallen Every Month Under Trump | Daily Wire

    You see when people get FULL TIME JOBS they don't need welfare...
    Since when is Medicare and Medicaid "welfare"???
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Well maybe they think since it didn't directly impact them...

    Now it will

    Again I honestly do not know why the GOP think's that their tax bill is a "winner" in any political way.

    Except that if it passes, that donor money starts flowing back in.
    Its always affected them. But the truth of the matter is they prefer someone who shares their outlook on things important to them, faith, guns, abortion, education etc. They instinctively mistrust city people and prefer someone who speaks commonly to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Since when is Medicare and Medicaid "welfare"???
    Medicaid is welfare Medicare is not. you will have to ask Dragonfly5 why he/she brought up Medicare in a welfare discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    He wasn't cutting medicare he was cutting the INCREASES in medicare.. oops. poor kitty so uninformed.
    Nope

    Say Congress does pass the tax cut before the end of the year, with paygo rules remaining in effect. Medicare alone would be cut by $28 billion next year, the CRFB has estimated, and mandatory funding for student loan administration, agricultural subsidies and customs and border patrol operations would be cut entirely. Customs and border patrol would still get discretionary funding through the congressional budget process, however.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ho...ill-2017-11-06

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Since when is Medicare and Medicaid "welfare"???
    Say this yesterday. I know quite a few who think because they are entitlements, not everyone is entitled.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...e-ENTITLEMENTS

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Medicaid is welfare Medicare is not.

    No it's not...sigh

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) said Wednesday that congressional Republicans will aim next year to reduce spending on both federal health care and anti-poverty programs, citing the need to reduce America's deficit.

    "We're going to have to get back next year at entitlement reform, which is how you tackle the debt and the deficit," Ryan said during an appearance on Ross Kaminsky's talk radio show. "... Frankly, it's the health care entitlements that are the big drivers of our debt, so we spend more time on the health care entitlements -- because that's really where the problem lies, fiscally speaking."

    Ryan said that he believes he has begun convincing President Donald Trump in their private conversations about the need to rein in Medicare, the federal health program that primarily insures the elderly. As a candidate, Trump vowed not to cut spending on Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid. (Ryan also suggested congressional Republicans were unlikely to try changing Social Security, because the rules of the Senate forbid changes to the program through reconciliation -- the procedure the Senate can use to pass legislation with only 50 votes.)

    Ryan's remarks add to the growing signs that top Republicans aim to cut government spending next year. Republicans are close to passing a tax bill nonpartisan analysts say would increase the deficit by at least $1 trillion over a decade. Trump recently called on Congress to move to cut welfare spending after the tax bill, and Senate Republicans have cited the need to reduce the national deficit while growing the economy.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c87d486a42e0

    Well that's lovely. Pass a GOP tax plan that primarily helps the Corps and the 1% and then try to help pay for it by slashing by screwing over poor and low/middle income people.

    Of course this has been Ryan's dream forever.
    Of course this is what they are planning, its the shock doctrine. Californians will be fine. Once they pass their agenda, I hope every Trump voter, every GOP voter gets whats coming to them. Only then will they possibly have any chance of empathy or compassion for others. You see, the definition of a conservative is selfishness, that is their core foundational belief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    No it's not...sigh
    Yes it is Medicaod is a welfare program

    https://www.thebalance.com/welfare-p...d-list-3305759

    Medicaid paid for health care for 64.9 million low-income adults in 2014. The largest share (50 percent) went to 29.5 million children. Next was 19.2 million adults, mostly parents of these children. It pays for 40 percent of all U.S. births.*
    Medicaid also paid health expenses for 9.8 million blind and disabled people. The smallest category was 5.4 million low-income seniors. It*paid for any health costs that Medicare didn't cover.
    The*Affordable Care Act increased Medicaid coverage by 28 percent. It raised the income level*and allowed single adults to qualify. (Source: "Half of U.S. Births Are Covered by Medicaid," Kaiser News, September 3, 2013. "2014 CMS Statistics,Table I.16," Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, 2016.)

    once again the HIck from TN has to school the CA Know it all.

    as I said Medicare is NOT a welfare program Medicaid is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Say this yesterday. I know quite a few who think because they are entitlements, not everyone is entitled.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...e-ENTITLEMENTS
    Actually that is really good idea. I like the idea of "Earned benefits" a lot better though.

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