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    Some have said that Anne Geddes photography is pornography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Stan,

    Actually, this artist is known for provocative paintings of young girls. A few actually show pedophilia.

    I think that is the issue, not so much this painting.
    What do you mean by "pedophilia". Pedophilia is the sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children.

    That has nothing to do with images of children unless the person is sexually aroused by PPchildren. The child does not have to be dressed and posed provocatively. Pedophiles are often caught taking photos at playgrounds.

    This child is child porn to a pedophile that is sexually aroused by children.


    https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/childdeve...ails-300px.jpg

    https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/childdeve...toddlers2.html

    Is the CDC a purveyor of child porn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    What do you mean by "pedophilia". Pedophilia is the sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children.

    That has nothing to do with images of children unless the person is sexually aroused by PPchildren. The child does not have to be dressed and posed provocatively. Pedophiles are often caught taking photos at playgrounds.

    This child is child porn to a pedophile that is sexually aroused by children.


    https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/childdeve...ails-300px.jpg

    https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/childdeve...toddlers2.html

    Is the CDC a purveyor of child porn?
    Mr. Drone,

    pedophilia as in fingering a little girl.

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    Pornography? Child exploitation? Obscenity?









    https://www.google.com/search?q=Cher...ih=809#imgrc=_


    If there is something about the above depictions that somehow arouses you sexually, then YOU, not the artwork, have a problem.

    The other side of that is that most human beings that have existed come from some form of adult sexual attraction to one another, as part of our biological makeup and an reminder, aid to human procreation and we all arrived in the world, unclothed.

    What humans claim makes them different from the other beasts of the earth is that mating is not simply an instinctual function where the strongest and most dominant male gets to mate with any female they choose as long as they can keep any competitors at bay, yet, even in the animal world, the females sometimes refuse the moves of the males, but in the animal world the males have little means for vindictive recourse or for withholding career advancement or a job, in exchange for submitting to sexual advances and acts. In the animal world, as far as humans have been able to discern, there is NO conscious thought to seek revenge or to hold something hostage in exchange for sex acts. If a female refuses the sexual advances of a male, they face no consequence and the only consequence the males face is being turned down.

    There is no way to know who in any society, in any location, has sexual attractions to young children, the best we can do is to identify the ones we find and isolate them from children, but letting everyone know, they and children should NOT be together, ESPECIALLY alone.

    Vows of celibacy and an all male religious organization should, to most thinking people, have been known to be a potential breeding grounds for male homosexual opportunities and potential danger for the most vulnerable of humans, that being young children and ANY situation where any male needs to ask the mother of those they feel some attraction to, if they can "date" that person, should be a warning in of itself. Pedophilia is different than an adult exploiting youthful inexperience with life to manipulate them into participating in sexual acts.

    Hopefully, following this opening of floodgates about past offenses and harms, women will not fear speaking up immediately and recognize that it is more important to speak out than bear the torture. Given the choice of speaking out and losing a job or a career advancement by the person that perpetrated an offense against them, women should speak out, but man or woman, the reality is, that neither the offender's denial, NOR the accusers allegations are going to be taken on face value and without investigation and because of the nature of the issue and the potential for the abuse of power, the characters of both the offender and the accused are going to be an integral part of both the accuser and the accused, in the interest of fairness and justice.

    The purpose of the latter is NOT to protect the guilty, but to protect the innocent, whether they are the victim of a sexual predator or false accusation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Drone,

    pedophilia as in fingering a little girl.
    No... Pedophilia is a sexual attraction; not a physical act. Pedophilia is legal. Acting on pedophilic urges is usually illegal.

    The only reason for the "usually" is that it's possible for a pedophile to have socially acceptable (or at most, dubiously tolerable) outlets for their urges. These might involve creating pornography using artistic skills (without any human model), or reading/writing literature not based on any actual people. Or even something as simple as watching re-runs of "Romper Room," I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Man,

    That is a tough one. By all standards today, that is child pornography.

    I've often wondered about getting rid of my Blind Faith "Blind Faith" album, and Scorpions "Virgin Killer" album because of the album cover art.
    You forgot "Houses of the Holy".
    Did you know that the Rev. Dodgson enjoyed photographing and painting nude children, including Alice?
    While in times past perhaps people were reluctant to acknowledge pedophilia, I think we are more able to recognize questionable "art" for what it sometimes is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Some have said that Anne Geddes photography is pornography.
    Perhaps they mispronounced "photography"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    Yes, they are culturally determined and ... [blah, blah, blah...]
    Someone has strong feelings on the topic. Do you really expect anyone to read that whole thing? Oh, hell no.

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    To me child porn means an actual child was exploited. Is exploited over and over each time the photo or whatever is seen. Otherwise, meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    To me child porn means an actual child was exploited. Is exploited over and over each time the photo or whatever is seen. Otherwise, meh.
    I largely agree with that in principle (though I still consider it unseemly to depict children in any way which might suggest or imply they be seen as sexual objects - whether that be film, still photography, literature, sculpture, or the pictorial arts,) but the legal view seems to devolve about whether the art work might encourage the view of children as objects of sexual gratification. It is not just the factual exploitation, but the encouragement, or even normalisation, of the impulse to that exploitation.

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