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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Mueller hasn't leaked anything. The various defense attorneys, politicians and other officials the probe must interact with to do its job are the people who leak, as always.

    You can't demonstrate that he has leaked or in any other way undermined the investigation, or you would supply such information up front.

    You want to waste time and obfuscate instead.
    Lmao... never leaked, that's funny, how do you think I pointed out that manafort would be arrested and for what about a month before the charges came down? It quite certainly has nothing to do with me being on the investigation team.

    Like I said before, I would be wasting time detailing how I came to that information ahead of others, because then people just claim it is fake, even after it's proven accurate every step of the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    The Founders actually talked about this at length, and Madison as usual is one of the best insights.

    It was initially proposed to enumerate exactly what you can be impeached for, let Congress decide what those things mean, and have those counts subject to judicial review. Instead they chose to use "misdemeanors" both to account for criminal offenses they could not envision AND to indicate that the president can, and if the 2/3 of the Senate agrees, ought to be removed if he's simply of such bad demeanor, so awful at his job that he is undermining the nation.

    It is a political decision among 2/3 of the Senate, which is a high enough standard, and it's not subject to judicial review. The House can decide that the president spoke at a ceremony out of turn, and if 2/3 of the Senate agrees that means he has to go, he has to go. It's up to them, and the consensus necessary guards against frivolity as it has.
    So if a President were to bow to a foreign ruler or swap five high ranking Taliban for one US Army deserter, it would be okay to mount an impeachment campaign?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    It's never going to stop. Hillary was impeached before she was even elected.....in the eyes of the public anyway.
    Hillary wasn't impeached because she failed to win the election, twice. Hillary loss was caused by her failure to actually campaign heavily in certain battleground states that she felt were a lock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    These DIM POLITICIANS are fucking dumbasses. You lost the election. You are losers. Hillary is a loser. These DIM POLITICIANS refuse to accept the results of the election. DIM POLITICIANS donít get to impeach a President just because you lost an election.

    PLEASE NOTE I SAID DIM POLITICIANS. THIS POST IN NO WAY IS REFERENCING PH POSTERS.

    I hope that is clear enough for some here.

    You're still factually waaaay off course.. but that's nothing new now, is it ?

    Quick lesson: See, those Democratic politicians you're addressing with your post.. they WON their elections.. otherwise, if they would have lost, they wouldn't be in the Congress.

    Read up on it, come back with questions you have understanding the context of getting elected to the congress.. always happy to help someone interested in the works of the political system. later!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    So if a President were to bow to a foreign ruler or swap five high ranking Taliban for one US Army deserter, it would be okay to mount an impeachment campaign?
    Sure. Why not? You need 2/3 to convict, and every person who votes still has to justify that vote to their constituents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Sure. Why not? You need 2/3 to convict, and every person who votes still has to justify that vote to their constituents.

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    Since it only takes a simple majority in the House we'd have impeachment every time there was a Republican president and a Democrat majority and vice versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Since it only takes a simple majority in the House we'd have impeachment every time there was a Republican president and a Democrat majority and vice versa.
    Highly doubt it. But if so, maybe we need to move in that direction. In other democracies, the legislature and executive must align, and the legislature is sovereign. That works out for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Highly doubt it. But if so, maybe we need to move in that direction. In other democracies, the legislature and executive must align, and the legislature is sovereign. That works out for them.

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    That would take a Constitutional Amendment. There are two ways to make that happen. Neither are easy. Other Democracies don't allow 47% of their income earners to pay zero in federal income taxes, should we adopt that too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    You're still factually waaaay off course.. but that's nothing new now, is it ?

    Quick lesson: See, those Democratic politicians you're addressing with your post.. they WON their elections.. otherwise, if they would have lost, they wouldn't be in the Congress.

    Read up on it, come back with questions you have understanding the context of getting elected to the congress.. always happy to help someone interested in the works of the political system. later!

    Um, where did I say they didn’t win their elections?

    I didn’t.

    Derp!

    @NeoVsMatrix
    Last edited by Goofball; 7th December 2017 at 09:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    That would take a Constitutional Amendment. There are two ways to make that happen. Neither are easy. Other Democracies don't allow 47% of their income earners to pay zero in federal income taxes, should we adopt that too?
    Income tax is not necessarily the system to anchor our federal budget with. Neither is corporate tax. We should be focused on individuals, with all paying their fair share.

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