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    Trump dossier and Christopher Steele[edit]
    Main article: Donald Trump–Russia dossier
    In September 2015, Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative political website, to do opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates. In spring 2016 when Trump had emerged as the probable Republican candidate, the Free Beacon stopped funding investigation into Trump.[26] From April 2016 through October 2016, the law firm Perkins Coie, on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee retained Fusion GPS to continue opposition research on Trump.[27][28][29] In June 2016, Fusion GPS retained Christopher Steele, a private British corporate intelligence investigator and former MI-6 agent, to research any Russian connections to Trump. Steele produced a 35-page series of memos from June to December 2016, which became the document known as the Donald Trump–Russia dossier.[27][30] Fusion GPS provided Marc Elias, the lead election lawyer for Perkins Coie, with the resulting dossier and other research documents.[28][29]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six View Post
    The dossier was always only just DNC and Hillary funded opposition research
    This is not accurate. It was originally funded by conservatives looking to take down Trump during the primaries.
    Now we know that wasn't true. Last weekend the NYTs attempted to shift the focus away from the dossier, and to minimize its influence as the trigger for the investigation by creating a new narrative. A drunk George Papadopoulos's running his mount to a Australian diplomat was the trigger of the investigation, not the dossier. But thats nonsense, and people know it.
    Really? You offer no evidence to support this contention.

    Fusion GPS would have shopped the dossier out to media outlets to give the manufactured narrative of Russian collusion, which was the justification for the covert surveillance of the political opposition for political purposes the credibility it needed.
    Other than being ungrammatical, this sentence makes no sense. Under what circumstances would Fusion GPS have "shopped the dossier out to media outlets?" Media outlets don't pay for stories and Fusion GPS is in the business of making money.

    If the FISA court issued warrants based entirely on an unsubstantiated dossier that the FBI could/should have told the court was unsubstantiated (and didn't so indicate) then that a serious problem. But we don't know what they presented to the FISA court. If the FISA court was that gullible, THAT would argue for a change in our super double-secret court system for national security--which was set up by...who, exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    You left out THE REPUBLICAN who initiated the OPPO RESEARCH! You people don't even try do you? Not even an attempt to cover the truth!

    Unless it has been disclosed, a GOP campaign INITIATED and CONTRACTED Fusion/GPS. It is thought to be JEB BUSH or TED CRUZ! Let's see those records and who paid for it!
    This post is pure partisan ignorance. The Free Beacon opp research happened during the primaries and was dropped when Trump became the candidate for the General. That is when the Clintons went at it with Fusion GPS, there is no crossover or relationship.

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    That one is Spoonfed raw sewage. There's not enough brain cells there to come up with something on their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    This is not accurate. It was originally funded by conservatives looking to take down Trump during the primaries. Really? You offer no evidence to support this contention.

    Other than being ungrammatical, this sentence makes no sense. Under what circumstances would Fusion GPS have "shopped the dossier out to media outlets?" Media outlets don't pay for stories and Fusion GPS is in the business of making money.

    If the FISA court issued warrants based entirely on an unsubstantiated dossier that the FBI could/should have told the court was unsubstantiated (and didn't so indicate) then that a serious problem. But we don't know what they presented to the FISA court. If the FISA court was that gullible, THAT would argue for a change in our super double-secret court system for national security--which was set up by...who, exactly?
    Actually thats not true at all. Conservatives didnt fund the dossier, thats just a talking point and its been debunked.

    The Washington Free Beacon hired Fusion GPS to conduct anti-Trump opposition research, but stopped using them when Trump won the primary.

    The funding for the dossier came exclusively from Hillary's campaign and the DNC

    As to why Fusion GPS would shop the dossier out to media outlets ? I guess we'll know soon enough. Theybwere ordered by a Federal Judge to turn over all Bank records to the House intel commitee.

    The dossier is at the center of this growing scandal. According to a CNN article from April, the FBI used the dossier to bolster their investigation and to obtain FISA warrants
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ion/index.html

    Who was heading up the initial Russia investigation ? Peter Sztrok, who was demoted from acting assistant head of the FBIs Counter Intelligence division to human rescources

    So whas assistant deputy AG Bruce Ohr, who met with Christopher Steele and Glenn Simpson last October, right around the time the FBI was granted their first FISA warrant

    As for the FISA court oking a warrant based on opposition research ?

    In early December, the Judge that initially oversaw Michael Flynns case recused himself. The media outlets reporting it offered up no explanation as to why
    https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.c...-himself%3famp

    Turns out Judge Rudolph Conteras is one of the 11 Judges that sits on the FISA court, and he was a FISA judge when the FBI submitted these FISA request

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    This post is pure partisan ignorance. The Free Beacon opp research happened during the primaries and was dropped when Trump became the candidate for the General. That is when the Clintons went at it with Fusion GPS, there is no crossover or relationship.
    Not sure what you mean by "there is no crossover or relationship?" Why does the fact that GPS had two different clients observe the first client of any responsibility for developing the dossier?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six View Post
    Actually thats not true at all. Conservatives didnt fund the dossier, thats just a talking point and its been debunked.

    The Washington Free Beacon hired Fusion GPS to conduct anti-Trump opposition research, but stopped using them when Trump won the primary.
    Can you tell me which information in the dossier was developed before the Free Beacon pulled out? I don't think anyone knows.
    The funding for the dossier came exclusively from Hillary's campaign and the DNC
    How do you know that?

    As to why Fusion GPS would shop the dossier out to media outlets ? I guess we'll know soon enough. Theybwere ordered by a Federal Judge to turn over all Bank records to the House intel commitee.
    That won't tell us why. It might verify whether some media outlet paid them something. I highly doubt any of the major MSM outlets would do that. It would certainly be a scandal if they did. My doubts are compounded by the fact that I don't see any MSM outlets doing pre-revelation damage control. Also, no major MSM outlet actually published the details of the dossier--why would anyone pay for something they won't use?

    The dossier is at the center of this growing scandal. According to a CNN article from April, the FBI used the dossier to bolster their investigation and to obtain FISA warrants
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ion/index.html
    "Bolster" implies that they had other evidence of probable cause as well, which tends to take the wind out of your sails on the idea that the dossier was the only evidence.

    Who was heading up the initial Russia investigation ? Peter Sztrok, who was demoted from acting assistant head of the FBIs Counter Intelligence division to human rescources
    Why is this significant? It suggests something but it proves nothing. You'd need to show how it caused him to not do his job well.

    So whas assistant deputy AG Bruce Ohr, who met with Christopher Steele and Glenn Simpson last October, right around the time the FBI was granted their first FISA warrant

    As for the FISA court oking a warrant based on opposition research ?
    Again, I guess we'll see. But think we should avoid drawing conclusions before we actually know something--just as liberals need to avoid drawing conclusions based on their favorite hopes about Trump's participation in some collusion.

    In early December, the Judge that initially oversaw Michael Flynns case recused himself. The media outlets reporting it offered up no explanation as to why
    https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.c...-himself%3famp
    That's probably because judges rarely give reasons for recusing themselves. Anything the press might have said would be rank speculation--something best reserved for op-ed columns, just like you see in the main stream press when they talk about how crazy Trump is or who is a terrorist or how Republicans are scared of the 2018 election cycle.
    Turns out Judge Rudolph Conteras is one of the 11 Judges that sits on the FISA court, and he was a FISA judge when the FBI submitted these FISA request
    Again, I don't see how this is evidence of anything. If I see something unidentifiable to me in the sky on Christmas night, is that proof of Santa Claus?

    I think you're falling into the same trap as many liberals who have already convicted Trump of treason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Not sure what you mean by "there is no crossover or relationship?" Why does the fact that GPS had two different clients observe the first client of any responsibility for developing the dossier?
    Your'e repeating a long since debunked talking point. Timelines are important.

    WaPo: Clinton Campaign, DNC funded research that led to dossier.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...bb9_story.html

    But your attempt to conflate the two is a good example of just how toxic the dossier has become......for the Democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six View Post
    Your'e repeating a long since debunked talking point. Timelines are important.

    WaPo: Clinton Campaign, DNC funded research that led to dossier.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...bb9_story.html

    But your attempt to conflate the two is a good example of just how toxic the dossier has become......for the Democrats.
    You make no sense. The Dossier is just a compiled set of notes from ongoing investigations turned up by Steele. You have no idea what information Steele compiled while he was being paid by GPS via the conservative group or the democrats group. Non the less, the FBI investigation was started as a result of Papondopolous shooting his mouth off to an Australian diplomat. The dossier was used to confirm what the FBI already had dug up as a result of that already ongoing FBI investigation. Oops !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six View Post
    Your'e repeating a long since debunked talking point. Timelines are important.

    WaPo: Clinton Campaign, DNC funded research that led to dossier.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...bb9_story.html

    But your attempt to conflate the two is a good example of just how toxic the dossier has become......for the Democrats.
    Here's the lede on the story you linked (emphasis mine):
    The Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee helped fund research that resulted in a now-famous dossier containing allegations about President Trump’s connections to Russia and possible coordination between his campaign and the Kremlin, people familiar with the matter said.
    That story doesn't say Clinton and the DNC were the ONLY funders of that research. In fact, if all the research had already been done and revealed to conservative funders, and then the same information were sold to Clinton and the DNC, that scenario would account for that lede.
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