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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    That is what our superintendent asked me to do...to become the union steward. I told him after the she wolves retire. I make more than most school teachers as well, we all do at our HS because we are Votech and they have to compensate us well to recruit us from the industries we came from. Our contracts require that we hold licensure for all disciplines we teach. Our dues go up every year.
    I don't know how your dues compare to your salary, I can just tell you that my union dues have never been that high, and mine are calculated as a percentage of my salary--less than 2%. Unions are democratic institutions--if you don't like yours, you can agitate for something better. And there are two national teachers unions, so there's even a choice there. I will say that people with an axe to grind often become involved in union leadership precisely because the relationship between union and management is adversarial. Honestly, I wouldn't vote for the person my boss thinks should be steward just on that basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I don't know how your dues compare to your salary, I can just tell you that my union dues have never been that high, and mine are calculated as a percentage of my salary--less than 2%. Unions are democratic institutions--if you don't like yours, you can agitate for something better. And there are two national teachers unions, so there's even a choice there. I will say that people with an axe to grind often become involved in union leadership precisely because the relationship between union and management is adversarial. Honestly, I wouldn't vote for the person my boss thinks should be steward just on that basis.
    I am not sure how the dues are calculated, I am not involved heavily in Union activity. If 2% is the percentage, I would be paying higher dues than I am now. I don't even want to be part of our Union, definitely not in leadership of it. We have a handful of teachers who should retire at this point. They screech on stupid issues but ignore the larger ones and are horrible in the classroom. TBH, we have it made at our school as far as student resources. We are funded by affluent districts and have a solid donor base from the alumni. We have several Doctors on our board who graduated from the HS in the 70's and 80's. We just passed a levy and are totally rebuilding the school to a State of the Art facility. The superintendent likes me because I do not howl and screech constantly and am level headed when it comes to budget and student services and have never stormed his office with stupidity. The she wolves actually called for a strike when they put cameras in our classroom. We have a no strike clause in our contracts. We just had a union meeting two weeks ago and the only teachers who showed up were the she wolves. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Sounds like Russia, or some 3rd world banana republic...

    We are a banana republic now. We elected a wannabe dictator of a banana republic.

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    The smirk on that dudes face when she is getting arrested is sickening. That whole town stinks of corruption just from seeing this. Small southern towns getting away with crap like this is unacceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Not in California, but they can apply for a license (California is (nearly?) unique in calling the official qualification a "credential") in another state. If there's no criminal record, nothing would signal to another state's DOE that the individual were a threat.
    except that they just might have a difficult time explaining why their California credential was revoked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    except that they just might have a difficult time explaining why their California credential was revoked.
    They never have to say. They can apply to another state's DOE directly. They can claim CA teaching on their resume but might never be asked about their California credential, and there's no database of disgraced teachers that their new state might consult. If there was no criminal charge, it wouldn't show up in a DOJ background check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    They never have to say. They can apply to another state's DOE directly. They can claim CA teaching on their resume but might never be asked about their California credential, and there's no database of disgraced teachers that their new state might consult. If there was no criminal charge, it wouldn't show up in a DOJ background check.
    That sounds like something that needs to be fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Think for myself View Post
    That is totally made up.
    That is not made up...I've personally witnessed teachers working when they should not be...security like this brings complacency. And furthermore -

    https://nypost.com/2016/06/08/teache...tect-our-kids/

    http://theworthyadversary.com/1424-c...molesters-jobs

    Dirty Secrets: Why sexually abusive teachers aren't stopped

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...al-misconduct/

    Sealing Criminal Records for Teaching Licensing

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    We are a banana republic now. We elected a wannabe dictator of a banana republic.
    Oh the melodrama by the left...an incredible thing to witness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    That's why I'd never suggest to one of my students that they teach anywhere without a union. Unions are the only way to stand up to such high-handed behavior, which is exercised in disputes over pay, benefits, and working conditions as well.
    There should be compensation standards that prevent public sector employees, including in education, including faculty, staff, and administration from being paid too unusually low or too unusually high. It's not impossible to peg public sector compensation, including for public education, within a range of percentages of the local median income, for example. There does not need to be this divide-and-conquer approach to leveraging max pay out of every single elected body across the country, but that's what unions do, and that's what smooth operator executive administrators do. It benefits cunning smooth operator administrators who can bounce around from district to district with their finely tuned template for a cushy contract, and it benefits unions. I don't much care about preserving that divide-and-conquer, quiet secret negotiations to leverage maximum pay for administrators and unions from elected boards/councils.

    These standards should be in place wherever federal and state government funding for education exists. It would settle and preempt a great deal of the absolutely constant pissing and moaning and controversy surrounding the secretly negotiated administrator contracts versus the secretly negotiated union contracts. And the total cost of compensation should be readily available and reported in a consistent manner to be apples-to-apples comparable across all districts everywhere. They're public employees, yet their compensation is always privately negotiated and kept as hush hush as possible. That is not necessary.

    I have lived in a small town, statistically low-to-moderate income community, not a high-crime place, just fairly poor, with teacher ratios at 12 to 1, and yet by percentage of local median income those teachers were some of the highest paid teachers probably almost anywhere in the country. The union encountered virtually no resistance from administration for decades, and the administrators were basically a ferris-wheel of high-paid itinerants who never had a lick of long-term personal, financial or emotional investment in the community. And yet there was still the exact same drama between teachers and administration. The same pissing and moaning about teachers being underpaid and administrators being overpaid, all facts and statistics aside. It was as if they were reading from a script, because you'd hear the exact same rhetoric from any other teacher's union in the country.

    There should simply be compensation standards that puts everyone within an established range. Administration included.
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