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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    But if the poorest among them are able to work....it really should not be a issue. We are not sure how many people would be exempt or not. Republicans have been throwing money at them for so long just to keep their vote...there could be more than you think.
    The Clintons certainly proposed terminating welfare benefits for people in need who don't work, despite the fact that virtually none of them could find work that pays a living wage.

    "End Welfare As We Know It" was the centerpiece of Clinton's first presidential campaign. It should have been "vote Democratic, we hate the poor more than the GOP does".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Yes.


    And one is able to live off of SSD, or SSI? Not really, in most cases.
    Lots of people live off of SSD and SSI in Kentucky...they refer to it as the "draw". The cost of living is really low and many are living on land owned by generations of family members that is paid off. I own a home there that is paid off that my grandmother owned. They have really low expenses in a lot of cases. I am not talking about Lexington, Louisville or Frankfort...but where the poor folks live. I am really touched by all this concern for the folks in KY....tomorrow there will be a thread about how stupid coal miners are. LOL Methinks, the push back on this issue is because the Gov. is a republican, otherwise people would care less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Are you asking what about mental health challenges, such as depression?
    I'm asking who makes the decision, it's a simple question. I don't understand your response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronwyn View Post
    Kentucky on Friday became the first U.S. state to receive approval from the federal government to implement work requirements in Medicaid, a fundamental change to the 50-year-old government health insurance program for the poor.
    The approval came one day after the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services issued policy guidance allowing states to design and propose test programs that require work or jobs training as a condition of receiving Medicaid, which has never had such conditions attached.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ke...D=ansmsnnews11


    Time to pull the crutch on people who are able bodied but too lazy to work.
    Being familiar with southeastern KY there are a fair number of people playing the system down there. That said they are far too smart and the local government too corrupt to be messed up by this. What will probably happen is the people that are legitimate will be hurt.

    Gotta love the conservative mentality that everybody is free loader except them. But the two biggest republicans I know cheat on their taxes and under report their income. Nothing like hypocrisy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beatleboy View Post
    I'm asking who makes the decision, it's a simple question. I don't understand your response.
    Well, if "ready, willing and able to work" is the issue, the claimant self-describes but the payor can investigate if there is suspicion.

    SSI, SSD and private disability all pay only after the payor's experts have been satisfied or the claimant succeeds in a court proceeding to overturn a denial.

    TANF is payable on certain conditions (poor, custodial parent, no assets to liquidate), some of which the claimant must prove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    The majority of people benefiting from Medicaid are children, disabled, or elderly, and would be exempt from work requirements. If you exclude pregnant women and parents with young children, the number of affected people shrinks even more. The majority of the remaining non-disabled adults are working. And some of them can only work because they get Medicaid — such as people who have mental illnesses or struggle with substance abuse but who, with reliable health care, are healthy and stable enough to work. Making work a prerequisite for Medicaid could, perversely, wind up preventing such people from working.

    Nearly two-thirds of Medicaid recipients are children, blind or otherwise disabled, or elderly. Work requirements would be plainly inappropriate in those cases, and so proposals typically exclude them. Kentucky’s proposed plan applies only to “‘able-bodied’ working age adults,” not including students and caregivers, per the Kaiser Family Foundation. If you drill down into the third or so of Medicaid beneficiaries who are working-age adults and don’t get Supplemental Security Income for a disability, you find that the majority work, and an even larger majority live in households where someone works. Those who don’t have understandable reasons, as this chart from Kaiser Family Foundation president Drew Altman suggests — they’re sick, they’re in school, they’re retired, or they can’t find a job:



    This is a solution in search of a problem,” Sara Rosenbaum, a professor of health policy at George Washington University who serves on a board advising Congress on Medicaid policy, says. “There’s just no evidence that too many people aren’t working who can work. If you say ‘able-bodied’ enough times, you give a sense that there are people just sitting around who could work, but that’s just not the case.”

    https://www.vox.com/2017/4/6/1518131...irements-trump

    So another "policy" that won't really do much, but appeals to his base.
    8% could not find work, that means 50% of that 8% didn't look for work. and the other 50% could have gotten a job, only problem an Illegal immigrant took their job..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    8% could not find work, that means 50% of that 8% didn't look for work. and the other 50% could have gotten a job, only problem an Illegal immigrant took their job..
    And I'm guessing that you have zero proof of that and just want to take a shot at immigrants again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    And I'm guessing that you have zero proof of that and just want to take a shot at immigrants again?
    There are 20,000,000 people unemployed, the Unemployment rate is the lowest in 17 years, there are 20,000,000 Illegal immigrants working in the US.

    Hmmm Kick out the 20,000,000 working illegals and 20,000,000 US citizens will have jobs. (not legal immigrants ILLEGAL IMMIGRATNS)

    Also that would free up 25,000,000,000 dollars in the state of CA to Rebuild the states infrastructure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    8% could not find work, that means 50% of that 8% didn't look for work. and the other 50% could have gotten a job, only problem an Illegal immigrant took their job..
    Always handy to segment the poor into groups, so that your hatred of one can be referenced as part of the reason you hate the others.

    Aye ye ye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    There are 20,000,000 people unemployed, the Unemployment rate is the lowest in 17 years, there are 20,000,000 Illegal immigrants working in the US.

    Hmmm Kick out the 20,000,000 working illegals and 20,000,000 US citizens will have jobs. (not legal immigrants ILLEGAL IMMIGRATNS)

    Also that would free up 25,000,000,000 dollars in the state of CA to Rebuild the states infrastructure.
    The entire California state budget for welfare payments to the undocumented parents of American citizen children is $640 million. The payments almost certainly cannot be denied under the 14th amendment.

    The noncitizen children of undocumented parents are not eligible for welfare.

    The $4 to $6 billion California spends on undocumented people is 90% public school costs, most of which is offset by the property taxes they pay as a portion of their housing costs.

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