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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Try to be the first one to address this thread rather then attacking me personally. Next one will be reported
    Everything in the article you posted is germane to the discussion. A man quoted in that article said "our country is on a slippery slope" because government isn't allowed to take part in sectarian religion. What proof does that disgusting man have for that argument?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    What is the purpose, why not use E Pluribus Unum, our moto for almost 200 years, and it would not stir controversy.
    Call your Representative and ask them to propose it. The purpose is to show children our countries motto and be proud of it. There has been an assault on our heritage to remove anything to do with God from schools
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    The motto violates the Lemon test. By definition, using the term "G-d" is religious and promotes religion, and thus cannot have a secular purpose. By teaching kids to believe in G-d, because "we" all do, it is teaching religion.
    Tell me why lawsuits have failed concerning “In God We Trust”?

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    Non-denominational religious messages, which do not restrict other forms of belief or lack thereof, should be a school district policy matter. The Constitution says the government shall not "establish" and shall not prohibit "free exercise." As a hard agnostic ("I don't know if there is a higher power, and you cannot prove that there is one, so let me be and I will follow suit"), for me, establishment constitutes any sort of denominational ceremony, scripture lecture or citation, iconography or ritual. "In God We Trust" is a secularized statement of belief in a higher power that is well established in American tradition. It's fine. Same with "God Bless America."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael J View Post
    Everything in the article you posted is germane to the discussion. A man quoted in that article said "our country is on a slippery slope" because government isn't allowed to take part in sectarian religion. What proof does that disgusting man have for that argument?
    Where does he say government isn’t allowed to take part in a secretatian religion? He just wants the Motto to be discussed rather then hidden. Is it unconstitutional to discuss our countries motto in public schools?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Where does he say government isn’t allowed to take part in a secretatian religion? He just wants the Motto to be discussed rather then hidden. Is it unconstitutional to discuss our countries motto in public schools?
    Well our country's historical motto is E Plurbus Unum. In God We Trust is a product of the 50s.

    But it is sewn firmly enough into both secular law and our national tradition that its public display is not establishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    No ones addressed the subject yet. Is it Constitutional for a public school to put America’s Motto on a poster in the schools? If not, is the Motto unconstitutional?
    The Supreme Court ruled that mottoes such as "In God We Trust" displayed in public places are a tradition and not an endorsement of any form of religion; and thus are constitutional.

    One justice stated that saying mottoes that included the word "God" were as innocuous and traditional as saying "God Bless You" when someone sneezed.

    The Children in South Carolina schools will pay as much attention to those posters as they do the religious message on the $1 dollar bill in their pocket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Tell me why lawsuits have failed concerning “In God We Trust”?
    Same reason that cons cannot reverse Rowe vs Wade?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    The Supreme Court ruled that mottoes such as "In God We Trust" displayed in public places are a tradition and not an endorsement of any form of religion; and thus are constitutional.

    One justice stated that saying mottoes that included the word "God" were as innocuous and traditional as saying "God Bless You" when someone sneezed.

    The Children in South Carolina schools will pay as much attention to those posters as they do the religious message on the $1 dollar bill in their pocket.
    Precisely right. It's codified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Where does he say government isn’t allowed to take part in a secretatian religion? He just wants the Motto to be discussed rather then hidden. Is it unconstitutional to discuss our countries motto in public schools?
    Our country's historical motto is E Plurubus Unum, not "In God We Trust."

    That disgusting man said "our country is on a slippery slope because we've been pushing God out of the public sphere." That means he wants Christian Dominionists like you to bring religion into government administrations. South Carolina, along with most of the deep South, is a Christian Dominionist State. Like you, he is a slanderer of atheists and agnostics because, as shown in his quote, he blames them for community decadence. The motto, One Nation Under God does, after all, put words in atheists' and agnostics' mouths and calls them bad Americans. What he is trying to do is bring Christianity into public schools under the clever disguise of "the motto doesn't mention specifically the Christian God." You and the state representative hate the idea of free choice in a free society because it gives people the right to choose not to believe in your puppet master in the sky.

    Stop deflecting and answer the question: That man says communities are growing decadent because government isn't promoting religion, what is his source for his argument? He will make an ass of himself just like you did when you couldn't name any atheist criminals who broke the law in the name of their disbelief.

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