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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    Meanwhile we have voices on the left jumping to racist conclusions. The same voices that openly disparage any "whitey" living in the south...and we also have comments about "stupid" red necks.

    Par for the course, the left complaining about a behavior they have perfected.
    As a "whitey" from the south, I find your narrow minded bigotry despicable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    From the linked article:

    The McClatchy student tested his race and intelligence hypothesis by having a handful of unidentified teens of various races take an online intelligence test.
    His report concluded that, "the lower average IQs of blacks, Southeast Asians, and nonwhite Hispanics means that they are not as likely as non-Hispanic whites and Northeast Asians to be accepted into a more academically rigorous program such as HISP. Therefore, the racial disproportionality of HISP is justified."


    So, was the study unscientific? Was the survey sample too small? Would you have accepted the results if it was a larger survey that was carefully collected?
    Why would you even characterize this HS student science project as a "study"?

    Words have meaning. Did this science project follow the criteria of scientific studies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    Meanwhile we have voices on the left jumping to racist conclusions. The same voices that openly disparage any "whitey" living in the south...and we also have comments about "stupid" red necks.

    Par for the course, the left complaining about a behavior they have perfected.
    Any excuse to not talk about the actual subject so you can instead whine about being a victim.
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    I think the kid that started this project needs to figure out a few things first. Color may be the difference that is visible to him but what's visible is not the cause of why one race may be over represented or under represented in higher or lower scores on intelligence tests. Depending on the type of test the intelligence tests measures information that you know and can apply correctly. It doesn't measure a natural ability due to genetics based on race.

    Genetics (based on race) I would argue has nothing to do with intelligence. Intelligence tests assumes everybody has been exposed to the same information and everybody has been given the same tools to properly memorize and apply the concepts under the same circumstances.

    I think the likelihood that the child has been exposed to the information needed to do well on intelligence tests can be figured out if they have attended formal schooling accredited to achieve a certain degree=elementary, secondary, post secondary education (FE).The tools needed to get that information to stick in their minds relies more on Family and common social and environmental factors (FSEC).

    Students should be screened on their family and environmental and social conditions first (FSEF)and next on grade level achieved (FE) . The higher the FSEF the higher the IQ score. I'm betting that this is independent of race. There may be more of one race than another race based on percentages in the general population but that has more to do with the score on FSEF. How do you calculate FSEF? You give points 1 or 0 to the above.

    1 is yes and 0 is No

    1. nuclear family is in tact
    2. family points out benefits of higher education always or almost always when discussing child's future
    3. family takes an interest in the school by going to parent teacher interviews always or almost always
    4. encourages education is #1 priority in the child's life always or almost always
    5. praises doing well in school always or almost always
    5. extended family re-enforces the above always or almost always
    6. in the greater community (local neighbourhood) the above is also the case in terms of encouragement, praise and value put on higher education always or almost always
    7. Completed Primary School-1-6
    8. Completed Secondary School 7-12
    9. Completed Post Secondary School (college)

    Perfect Score=10, Average=5, Poor= less than 5

    If you score kids on the above I think you will have a greater likelihood of predicting who does well on the intelligence tests and who does poorly.

    *Note when I say greater in number I mean in relation to the percentage of the population they represent out of the 100.

    In other words if Asians are 10% of the general population than out of 100 test takers there are only 10 Asians out of the whole 100, But they may get 6 out of their 10 get the perfect score that is 60% of their population subgroup.

    Blacks could represent 20% of the 100 so that would be 20 people but only 2 gets the perfect score that's 10% of their population subgroup.

    Whites would be the balance at 70% or 70 people but out of that 70 only 14 get the perfect score and that would only be 20% of their subgroup.

    So the break down out of the 100 with top scores= 6 Asian (10% of the whole but 60% subgroup (SG))
    2 Black (30% of the whole group but 10% of SG)
    14 Whites (70% of the whole group but 20% of SG)

    The representation down racial lines may not be in proportion with the percentage they hold in the sample but still not a result of genetics but rather their family and environmental and social conditions first (FSEF)and next on grade level achieved (FE)
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    Responsible adults don't argue with children.

    This kid has a history of making racial remarks and this looks like another trait of the cruelty that permeates younger generations.

    While its an issue - one other issue is; How did the teacher not read the project's content before putting it on display?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Monolithic societies are made weary of others.
    I GET that much of it is "tribal". I get it, I get it, I get it! But the BRAIN is plastic and CAN easily overcome ALL of our tribal shit. It takes either some empathy, rational thinking (or maybe a few extra IQ points). WE aren't out in the jungles trying to find food, keep alive by the hour, by the day, protecting our gene pool from an invasion which will wipe us out.... SON OF A BITCH--I just figured out a swath of TRUMP SUPPORTERS.

    (No I'm noting being glib).
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    Responsible adults don't argue with children.

    This kid has a history of making racial remarks and this looks like another trait of the cruelty that permeates younger generations.

    While its an issue - one other issue is; How did the teacher not read the project's content before putting it on display?
    My thoughts exactly. I would think projects need approval and this one should have never made it to the table to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    Responsible adults don't argue with children.

    This kid has a history of making racial remarks and this looks like another trait of the cruelty that permeates younger generations.

    While its an issue - one other issue is; How did the teacher not read the project's content before putting it on display?
    And while the child has this history, no one can tell me he didn't get help at home with a project like this. Even if it was just in the form of encouragement. Hate breeds hate.

    There's probably more to the story (usually is) on the teacher end of things too. It's very possible the teacher did read the project's content. At that point, the teacher is put in a tough spot. Does he not allow it and trigger a censorship/1st amendment argument involving the parent and possibly a segment of the local population. Or do you put it up and let the chips fall where they may?
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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    And while the child has this history, no one can tell me he didn't get help at home with a project like this. Even if it was just in the form of encouragement. Hate breeds hate.

    There's probably more to the story (usually is) on the teacher end of things too. It's very possible the teacher did read the project's content. At that point, the teacher is put in a tough spot. Does he not allow it and trigger a censorship/1st amendment argument involving the parent and possibly a segment of the local population. Or do you put it up and let the chips fall where they may?
    I'm almost certain this came from home, but can't say so. I don't know. Maybe this little shit is super smart and incredibly dumb at the same time... but I doubt it.

    If the teacher is worried about 1st Amendment, school projects don't fall under Freedom of Speech. That would be like charging a school with violating the 1st because I got marked wrong on an answer.

    Maybe I'm wrong and I hope if so, I'm corrected.

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