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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Here is a news flash for you...there are no credible studies on Race and IQ.

    I bet you will never find ONE that determines whites as inferior.

    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...-iq-be-banned/
    Mr. Drone,

    You cited three creditable studies in your link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    It's called rabid leftist hypocrisy, it's on display here daily.
    Leftist racism and hypocrisy is a thing, yes. But this thread's Op, and @Friday13, do not illustrate this.

    BTW, the smartest person I ever knew IRL is my old tax professor...a black female. She's a lovely, warm person with a brain that's seriously next-level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    Yeah - say what you mean. "Quit pointing out liberal hypocrisy"
    Point it out however often you wish, but this thread's Op illustrates REAL racism.

    It's disturbing (and scientifically unsound) that the premise was even considered.
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    I personally would allow the racist project and then have other students challenge it and the creator to forward a robust and meaningful debate.

    I would love to show up at the event and question the kid on science and Physics. I think it would be a bit shocking for the boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    From the linked article:

    The McClatchy student tested his race and intelligence hypothesis by having a handful of unidentified teens of various races take an online intelligence test.
    His report concluded that, "the lower average IQs of blacks, Southeast Asians, and nonwhite Hispanics means that they are not as likely as non-Hispanic whites and Northeast Asians to be accepted into a more academically rigorous program such as HISP. Therefore, the racial disproportionality of HISP is justified."


    So, was the study unscientific? Was the survey sample too small? Would you have accepted the results if it was a larger survey that was carefully collected?
    The premise is flawed. There's very little genetic difference between any two humans, and what there is has never been shown to correlate intelligence (however defined) and physical appearance.

    It would be akin to testing for a correlation between height and intelligence. A patently absurd premise that reveals a profound misunderstanding of genetics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    For what it's worth, there's no "good" measure of IQ. Unlike (for example) testing for high cholesterol, IQ tests are "approximate." If you give your blood samples to two qualified labs, and ask them for the cholesterol counts, odds are good that you'll get near-exact results. Send a person with psychological disorders to three or four practitioners, and you probably get similar diagnoses - but not necessarily the same.

    But testing one's IQ? Different tests will get results in the same general ballpark - but with a fairly wide margin-of-error. There are just WAY too many factors that can influence the scores.
    I have taken IQ tests that were almost 40 points apart. Trying not to comment specifically, but my brain isn't like most other people. It heavily leans towards problem solving, and quick as opposed to having one that is based on memory.

    One of the very odd results was that I could repeat numbers backwards [five digits more...?] for longer then I could repeat them back in the order that they were given.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    I personally would allow the racist project and then have other students challenge it and the creator to forward a robust and meaningful debate.

    I would love to show up at the event and question the kid on science and Physics. I think it would be a bit shocking for the boy.
    Crusher, you grew up in areas that I did. Did any black kids think that white kids were smarter then them? Of course not. Not to make any kind of racist statement here, but kids from the streets were smart in a different way. You could not talk them out of their lunch money, because they were sharp and not easily fooled. Were they actually smarter? Who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    I have taken IQ tests that were almost 40 points apart. Trying not to comment specifically, but my brain isn't like most other people. It heavily leans towards problem solving, and quick as opposed to having one that is based on memory.

    One of the very odd results were that I could recite numbers back given backwards, [five digits...?] for longer then I could repeat them back in the order that they were given.
    Human intelligence has a variety of types. Musical, artistic, emotional, etc.

    The IQ test we're all used to measures only a very narrow range, and only in a hideously gender and culturally biased manner.

    The data is not useless, obviously. But it is also not used appropriately by the public. One legitimate use would be to track results across time, so as to try to measure the impact of trauma or disease on a single patient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Crusher, you grew up in areas that I did. Did any black kids think that white kids were smarter then them? Of course not. Not to make any kind of racist statement here, but kids from the streets were smart in a different way. You could not talk them out of their lunch money, because they were sharp and not easily fooled. Were they actually smarter? Who knows.
    People have what I refer to as "talents". You may be a math freak like me, big and strong like me, but can't swim for shit like me. Others... have talents of reading people, communication, writing, humor.... it's pretty endless. I have always hated the IQ tests that are so conformed to straight up pattern recognition and relationship recognition. Some of the people I think are the "smartest" didn't even graduate from high school.

    ... and of course we didn't think the white kids were smarter, but we knew they were at better schools. Playing football and traveling to their campuses, you always thought... damn, they got it good!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    I personally would allow the racist project and then have other students challenge it and the creator to forward a robust and meaningful debate.

    I would love to show up at the event and question the kid on science and Physics. I think it would be a bit shocking for the boy.
    Online intelligence tests are GARBAGE. Furthermore, his sample is too small. It was the work of a little kid for certain.

    Here's a better one.

    https://www.mensa.lu/en/mensa/online...e-iq-test.html

    This is the Mensa test. trick is to not spend too much time on any particular question. You won't get them all right, if you get a bunch of them correct, you could be pretty darn shmart!
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