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    Student Who Recorded Teacher’s Anti-Military Rant Was Invited to White House

    Los ANGELES (CBSLA) — Officials from a Southern California city are roundly condemning disparaging comments made about members of the U.S. military by a local teacher.
    Audio first emerged over the weekend of history teacher and Pico Rivera Council Member Gregory Salcido telling students U.S. servicemembers serving overseas are “not like high-level thinkers, they’re not academic people, they’re not intellectual people. They’re the freakin’ lowest of our low.”
    “It is really a big deal to me because not a lot of people say they’ve been to the White House or they met the president,” Quinonez told CBS2 News.
    The senior at El Rancho High School secretly recorded history teacher Gregory Salcido while he was talking to his class, telling them that military recruiters were “not like high-level thinkers, they’re not academic people, they’re not intellectual people. They’re the freakin’ lowest of our low.”
    The video went viral, and members of the community, many of them veterans, immediately demanded that Salcido, who is also on the Pico Rivera City Council, be fired. He has been placed on leave.
    As for Quinonez, he said the whole ordeal has been tough for him, too.
    While grateful for the outpouring of support, he said he has received death threats.


    However, his focus now is to take John Kelly up on his invitation. He and his family started a GoFundMe campaign to raise funds for travel and lodging in D.C., “thinking that, you know, they would pay our expenses, but, you know, no,” Quinonez said smiling. “We’ve gotta get ourselves out there.”




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    Personally I think this kids a hero. He deserves the trip to the White House and Pentagon

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    The teacher had no place voicing such opinions in the classroom. That said, I have to question the legality of surreptitiously recording classroom activities without the consent of those being recorded - especially in situations where the intent is not to collect evidence of a criminal act.
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    In my state, it is illegal to record an in-person conversation (telephone is ok) unless all parties know, or should reasonably know, they are being recorded. (There are a couple of statutory exceptions.)

    Agree the teacher has no business offering such personal opinions in the classroom. However, the kid is not a "hero," and saying so just diminishes the meaning of the word with respect to real heroes.

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    @Ian Jeffrey I don't think a teacher speaking in a class room qualifies as a private conversation. A teacher speaking to his class in the capacity of his job may well be considered a conversation open to the public but I can easily see it going the other way. Then again so what? Even if a jury awards damages to the teacher if he loses his job who does the teacher sue? The student?
    The kid likely doesn't have a pot to piss in and I don't think his parents would be liable given the kid is a senior and the parents wouldn't have control and supervision of say a 16 or 17 year old high school student.

    "California's wiretapping law is a "two-party consent" law. California makes it a crime to record or eavesdrop on any confidential communication, including a private conversation or telephone call, without the consent of all parties to the conversation. See Cal. Penal Code § 632.

    The statute applies to "confidential communications" -If you are recording someone without their knowledge in a public or semi-public place like a street or restaurant, the person whom you're recording may or may not have "an objectively reasonable expectation that no one is listening in or overhearing the conversation," and the reasonableness of the expectation would depend on the particular factual circumstances. Therefore, you cannot necessarily assume that you are in the clear simply because you are in a public place.

    If you are operating in California, you should always get the consent of all parties before recording any conversation that common sense tells you might be "private" or "confidential." In addition to subjecting you to criminal prosecution, violating the California wiretapping law can expose you to a civil lawsuit for damages by an injured party. See Cal. Penal Code § 637.2."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    I don't think a teacher speaking in a class room qualifies as a private conversation.
    Not relevant, except as a statute may specify. (And I suspect they will vary substantially from state to state.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Even if a jury awards damages to the teacher if he loses his job who does the teacher sue? The student? The kid likely doesn't have a pot to piss in and I don't think his parents would be liable given the kid is a senior and the parents wouldn't have control and supervision of say a 16 or 17 year old high school student.
    There probably are no grounds for a lawsuit. The issue would be whether the student committed a crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    "California's wiretapping law is a "two-party consent" law. California makes it a crime to record or eavesdrop on any confidential communication, including a private conversation or telephone call, without the consent of all parties to the conversation. See Cal. Penal Code § 632.
    Not every state has a statute like that. But thanks for looking up the CA statutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    @Ian Jeffrey I don't think a teacher speaking in a class room qualifies as a private conversation. A teacher speaking to his class in the capacity of his job may well be considered a conversation open to the public but I can easily see it going the other way. Then again so what? Even if a jury awards damages to the teacher if he loses his job who does the teacher sue? The student?
    The kid likely doesn't have a pot to piss in and I don't think his parents would be liable given the kid is a senior and the parents wouldn't have control and supervision of say a 16 or 17 year old high school student.

    "California's wiretapping law is a "two-party consent" law. California makes it a crime to record or eavesdrop on any confidential communication, including a private conversation or telephone call, without the consent of all parties to the conversation. See Cal. Penal Code § 632.

    The statute applies to "confidential communications" -If you are recording someone without their knowledge in a public or semi-public place like a street or restaurant, the person whom you're recording may or may not have "an objectively reasonable expectation that no one is listening in or overhearing the conversation," and the reasonableness of the expectation would depend on the particular factual circumstances. Therefore, you cannot necessarily assume that you are in the clear simply because you are in a public place.

    If you are operating in California, you should always get the consent of all parties before recording any conversation that common sense tells you might be "private" or "confidential." In addition to subjecting you to criminal prosecution, violating the California wiretapping law can expose you to a civil lawsuit for damages by an injured party. See Cal. Penal Code § 637.2."

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    So far, fourteen of the fifteen charges against the duo, David Daledien and Sandra Meritt, who recorded Planned Parenthood have been dropped under California Penal Code Section 632 because it happened in a cafeteria. The relevent section:

    The term ‘confidential communication’ includes any communication carried on in circumstances as may reasonably indicate that any party to the communication desires it to be confined to the parties thereto, but excludes a communication made in a public gathering…

    There is a hair that could be split over a classroom, but the intent and spirit plainly is regarding othrs not privy in the proximity.

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    Would it damage any teacher if the lesson they were delivering was made public? If so, why?

    Public school teachers, K-12, should not be so controversial that there lessons cannot be shared. The law is the law, but what are you really going to do to a minor who exposes shit teaching?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Not relevant, except as a statute may specify. (And I suspect they will vary substantially from state to state.)


    There probably are no grounds for a lawsuit. The issue would be whether the student committed a crime.


    Not every state has a statute like that. But thanks for looking up the CA statutes.
    @Ian Jeffrey Regardless of criminality it doesn't stop the school board from firing the teacher. Whether the kid gets charged or not what difference does it make in terms of the outcome for the teacher?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Regardless of criminality it doesn't stop the school board from firing the teacher. Wether the kid gets charged or not what difference does it make in terms of the outcome for the teacher?
    None. Whether or not the kid did something wrong does not mitigate any bad behavior on the teacher's part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    None. Whether or not the kid did something wrong does not mitigate any bad behavior on the teacher's part.
    It's a tough profession. Only those that have a true gift are good at it. The teacher in the OP, really shouldn't be teaching.

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