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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    Your "options" just buried two literary masterpieces. That is the issue.

    Kids being "offended" and unable to accept, understand, and learn from the faults of the past is also an issue. I want to raise thoughtful adults, not cringe behind mommy's skirt weaklings that can't handle being offended. I am offended all the time. You know what happens? NOTHING! I am offended and I move on and learn about those that did it.
    pssst, it's not up to you how other parents raise their kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    No mandatory reading list for a public school is going to include every "masterpiece" ever written. Only a racist would be upset over these two particular books not being made mandatory reading material in a public school.
    ^^^^ Here is a perfect way for a small mind to hurt an open exchange of ideas. Scream "racism" at anyone that does not fall in line with the PC crowd.

    It's ridiculous that any educated adult would conduct themselves like this in a discussion of a meaningful literary masterpieces.

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    stop dancing around the issue. What you're promoting here is forced exposure to racial slurs by our high school. They're giving kids the options now. They can read it if they so choose. What's wrong with that?
    Consider the context of the racial slur. In "Mockingbird," the slur is used primarily by racists with deep-rooted prejudices against black people. The protagonists of the story do not use such language.

    In "Huckleberry," the titular character is uneducated, and uses the slur because it's the language he learned on the streets. However - he regards Jim as a close friend, and Huck has no reservations about helping him escape slavery. Meanwhile, Jim is portrayed as an intelligent, heroic figure.

    And yes - the slur is tossed around frequently. Because in that era, in the south, the slur WAS tossed around frequently. This is not something to be forgotten or brushed under a carpet.

    Seriously - have you read either of these books?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    ^^^^ Here is a perfect way for a small mind to hurt an open exchange of ideas. Scream "racism" at anyone that does not fall in line with the PC crowd.

    It's ridiculous that any educated adult would conduct themselves like this in a discussion of a meaningful literary masterpieces.
    Hogshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    it's none of your business what I've read. You're not black and you have no idea how it feels to be subjected to being called the n-word. Yet, you want to force students to be subjected to it against their will for the stake of literature?
    I'm not black, and I'll never know how it feels to be subjected as such. However, the books (especially "Mockingbird") will give non-black people a taste of the injustices against black people in the south. And as students, they'll learn it in their formative years, which is a good thing.

    Seriously - you really should read it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    ^^^^ Here is a perfect way for a small mind to hurt an open exchange of ideas. Scream "racism" at anyone that does not fall in line with the PC crowd.

    It's ridiculous that any educated adult would conduct themselves like this in a discussion of a meaningful literary masterpieces.
    Why are you so upset? There are hundreds of literary masterpieces, many get read after high school, when folks are in college and better able to understand the nuance and history of the works. I agree with Nightswimmer, only a racist would be this upset over these particular books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Why are you so upset? There are hundreds of literary masterpieces, many get read after high school, when folks are in college and better able to understand the nuance and history of the works. I agree with Nightswimmer, only a racist would be this upset over these particular books.
    So sad. You fight for each one. Do you know how dramatically the reading level of school kids has plummeted over the last 50 years? 100 years? 150 years?

    They next will come for your favorite or mine for other reasons. I can see "For Whom The Bell Tolls" getting dropped for sexual references or hey... the Republicans in Spain were on the "good side" in the book.

    Playing the race card is for fools here. Those books are not about being racist. In fact, the racists in the books are not the good guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    It does matter. If you have not read them then you are ignorant on the topic and your context is non-existent.

    Being unable to get over the offensive material in such literary pieces is ridiculous. It's for weak minds. They are providing real cultural depictions that we can all learn from and improve by.
    what a load of bullshit. Not having read two books isn't going to deprive anyone of cultural awareness of the things presented in those books.
    Give me a break. They are both recommended reading as they are considered classics. But, if high school students don't read them, it's not like they can't get the same cultural awareness someone else. Like, oh I don't know, real life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    I'm not black, and I'll never know how it feels to be subjected as such. However, the books (especially "Mockingbird") will give non-black people a taste of the injustices against black people in the south. And as students, they'll learn it in their formative years, which is a good thing.

    Seriously - you really should read it.
    not on my reading list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    what a load of bullshit. Not having read two books isn't going to deprive anyone of cultural awareness of the things presented in those books.
    Give me a break. They are both recommended reading as they are considered classics. But, if high school students don't read the, it's not like they can't get the same cultural awareness someone else. Like, oh I don't know, real life.
    Yeah... thanks for that post.



    How does a child today have the context to know the evils and the history behind it in your foolish scenario of learning only from current "real life"? The Triangle Theory of Communication which predicates virtually all learning is strengthened immensely by literary works where words and their meanings on historical and cultural levels expands the mind and learning experience in significant ways. Your plan would make for a lot of shallow, ill prepared people.

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