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    Philippines chopper deal scrapped

    The president of the Philippines has told his military commanders to cancel a controversial deal to buy 16 helicopters from Canada, after the Trudeau government ordered a review of the contract over human-rights concerns.

    President Rodrigo Duterte issued the order at a news conference Friday in which he said that he respected Canada's position, but also lashed out against restrictions on the use of military equipment against terrorist and rebels.

    "I am sure Canada is a bright boy. But the terrorists, ISIS, are contaminating the locals. And if I cannot use the gunships, the helicopters, then I might as well surrender this government to them," Duterte said in Manila.

    "I do not question your logic. Your logic is your logic. My logic is mine. It's based on the reality on the ground. So henceforth, this is a direct order to the commander in chief of the armed forces of the Philippines and the police."

    The decision sparked a surprisingly sharp response from the Trudeau government, which only a few days earlier had been defending the deal, which would have been worth an estimated $300 million.

    "The president's troubling comments only underscores the confusion and contradictions that have emerged recently on the intended end use of the helicopters," International Trade Minister Francois-Philippe Champagne said in a statement.

    "That is precisely why I ordered a review and that process will continue."

    The government had initially said the Bell helicopters would only be used for search-and-rescue and disaster relief operations, and that the deal would support about 1,000 jobs in the Montreal area.

    But Champagne ordered a review this week after a senior member of the Philippine military said the aircraft would be used for "internal security operations," sparking concern among civil society groups.

    The Philippines military has been accused of extrajudicial killings, torture and other rights abuses during its separate conflicts with Islamic State-linked terrorists and communist rebels.
    Philippines' Duterte orders cancellation of helicopter deal with Canada

    Now, Philippines will likely turn to Russia and China to get the equipment they need: Philippines may turn to China, Russia after scrapping Canada helicopter deal

    Because Putin, for one, already wants to sell them weapons, he already sent Duterte thousands of AKs and other stuff for FREE, as a "donation":

    MANILA, Philippines Five Russian navy ships have arrived in the Philippines to deliver donated military equipment on the country's third naval visit under President Rodrigo Duterte.

    Rear Admiral E. Mikhailov, the task force commander, said the three anti-submarine ships, one landing ship and a rescue tug docked in Manila on Friday in time for the upcoming visit of Russia's top defense official.

    Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu will be joining next week's meeting of 10 Southeast Asian defense ministers with counterparts from eight countries including the U.S., Russia and China.

    No details were mentioned Friday about the donated equipment, but Duterte earlier said Russia would provide 5,000 assault rifles to the Philippines. He has vowed to diversify the country's ties away from the United States and toward China and Russia.
    5 Russian ships in Philippines to deliver military equipment | Fox News

    Russian warships in Philippines


    Russian defense minister, General Sergei Shoigu (right) and Duterte, inspect the "donated" AKs


    Duterte has promised Putin to buy more stuff from them too:

    We'll buy arms from Russia, Philippines' Duterte tells Putin

    Putin, of course, unlike our Trudeau, doesn't give a rat's ass about human rights and such. Ditto for Xi in China. They'll gladly provide Duterte all he needs...

    And that's the problem, for me.

    I am all for defending Canada's ideals and values. I was disgusted that we were selling equipment to Saudi Arabia and such...

    But, at the end of the day, those guys would just get their shit from someone else. And it is our country losing money, our workers losing wages...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Philippines' Duterte orders cancellation of helicopter deal with Canada

    Now, Philippines will likely turn to Russia and China to get the equipment they need: Philippines may turn to China, Russia after scrapping Canada helicopter deal

    Because Putin, for one, already wants to sell them weapons, he already sent Duterte thousands of AKs and other stuff for FREE, as a "donation":



    5 Russian ships in Philippines to deliver military equipment | Fox News

    Russian warships in Philippines


    Russian defense minister, General Sergei Shoigu (right) and Duterte, inspect the "donated" AKs


    Duterte has promised Putin to buy more stuff from them too:

    We'll buy arms from Russia, Philippines' Duterte tells Putin

    Putin, of course, unlike our Trudeau, doesn't give a rat's ass about human rights and such. Ditto for Xi in China. They'll gladly provide Duterte all he needs...

    And that's the problem, for me.

    I am all for defending Canada's ideals and values. I was disgusted that we were selling equipment to Saudi Arabia and such...

    But, at the end of the day, those guys would just get their shit from someone else. And it is our country losing money, our workers losing wages...
    That's always the case.

    Never a shortage of countries willing to sell arms to any country with money.

    US, Canada, Russia, China, France, UK, Germany, South Africa, Israel, and others

    If any country declines to sell, there's always, ALWAYS plenty more sellers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    That's always the case.

    Never a shortage of countries willing to sell arms to any country with money.

    US, Canada, Russia, China, France, UK, Germany, South Africa, Israel, and others

    If any country declines to sell, there's always, ALWAYS plenty more sellers...
    Terrible world we live in...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Terrible world we live in...
    Yeah, but...

    It's all about money.
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    The only possible end to it being when all those countries agree not to. And to not do business, at all, with anyone who does.

    We think we’re so clever making a 15 million dollar arms deal with butchers then a decade later spending 15 billion on the inevitable war we wage to stop them.

    Canada will probably give more in aid to the destitute in The Phillipines than we’d have made off the helicopters. And it was probably US or Russian military aid funds that would PAY for the helicopters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    The only possible end to it being when all those countries agree not to. And to not do business, at all, with anyone who does.

    We think we’re so clever making a 15 million dollar arms deal with butchers then a decade later spending 15 billion on the inevitable war we wage to stop them.

    Canada will probably give more in aid to the destitute in The Phillipines than we’d have made off the helicopters. And it was probably US or Russian military aid funds that would PAY for the helicopters.
    Countries probably won't agree "not to".

    And if they do, some country will cheat.

    Or some arms broker will buy from a third country and eventually the merchandise will get to whoever has the money.

    Just look at N Korea and the way they get around all those sanctions.

    Money always finds a way...
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