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    The Trump administration announced an alternative to insurance under the Affordable Care Act.

    Shittier insurance.

    Indeed, the orange tinted man who said health care would be so easy, and everyone would be covered, seems to caused less people to be covered and really crappy health care.

    Not sure this is a good thing.

    Trump administration unveils short-term health plans as alternative to Obamacare - Feb. 20, 2018

    Americans will soon have one more alternative to Obamacare, thanks to the Trump administration.

    Officials Tuesday proposed regulations that will make it easier to obtain coverage through short-term health insurance plans-- which don't have to adhere to the Affordable Care Act's consumer protections -- by allowing insurers to sell policies that last just under a year. The new rules stem from an executive order President Donald Trump signed in October aimed at boosting competition, giving consumers more choices and lowering premiums.



    "Americans need more choices in health insurance so they can find coverage that meets their needs," said Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar. "The status quo is failing too many Americans who face skyrocketing costs and fewer and fewer choices. The Trump Administration is taking action so individuals and families have access to quality, affordable healthcare that works for them."
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    Sue Lowden's Chicken plan was more comprehensive:

    "You know, before we all started having health care, in the olden days, our grandparents, they would bring a chicken to the doctor. They would say I'll paint your house.... In the old days that's what people would do to get health care with their doctors. Doctors are very sympathetic people. I'm not backing down from that system."

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Sue Lowden's Chicken plan was more comprehensive:

    "You know, before we all started having health care, in the olden days, our grandparents, they would bring a chicken to the doctor. They would say I'll paint your house.... In the old days that's what people would do to get health care with their doctors. Doctors are very sympathetic people. I'm not backing down from that system."
    I like it. "Treat my medical condition or I'll paint your house with chickens."

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    I think that the ACA was a good idea, but it's time for universal coverage. No one pays, no mandate. No stress. It would have to be scaled back a bit to a more basic coverage and if you want more coverage, you can buy wrap-around.

    Everyone should be covered, only an idiot thinks our old system was any good, it was socialism on fucking steroids. It was bankrupting America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Think for myself View Post
    The Trump administration announced an alternative to insurance under the Affordable Care Act.

    Shittier insurance.

    Indeed, the orange tinted man who said health care would be so easy, and everyone would be covered, seems to caused less people to be covered and really crappy health care.

    Not sure this is a good thing.

    Trump administration unveils short-term health plans as alternative to Obamacare - Feb. 20, 2018

    Americans will soon have one more alternative to Obamacare, thanks to the Trump administration.

    Officials Tuesday proposed regulations that will make it easier to obtain coverage through short-term health insurance plans-- which don't have to adhere to the Affordable Care Act's consumer protections -- by allowing insurers to sell policies that last just under a year. The new rules stem from an executive order President Donald Trump signed in October aimed at boosting competition, giving consumers more choices and lowering premiums.



    "Americans need more choices in health insurance so they can find coverage that meets their needs," said Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar. "The status quo is failing too many Americans who face skyrocketing costs and fewer and fewer choices. The Trump Administration is taking action so individuals and families have access to quality, affordable healthcare that works for them."
    "Repeal and replace" didn't necessarily mean replace with something better, or even as good.

    Sell limited term insurance, no regulations, then, when the term runs out and the patient has a "pre existing condition," you simply don't renew. Let the poor sap who had a heart attack see if he can get care by selling chickens. That's a great plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    "Repeal and replace" didn't necessarily mean replace with something better, or even as good.

    Sell limited term insurance, no regulations, then, when the term runs out and the patient has a "pre existing condition," you simply don't renew. Let the poor sap who had a heart attack see if he can get care by selling chickens. That's a great plan.
    It's not about "bad plans" or the poor poor people who will run out of coverage. People who need care won't be interested in this plans. These plans are intended to enable adverse selection of healthy individuals out of the Obamacare plans, which will leave sicker-on-average people in Obamacare plans, pushing the cost of those plans higher, which will reflect badly on Obamacare, fueling motivation for its repeal.

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    Shittier insurance.
    It's not shitty insurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    It's not about "bad plans" or the poor poor people who will run out of coverage. People who need care won't be interested in this plans. These plans are intended to enable adverse selection of healthy individuals out of the Obamacare plans, which will leave sicker-on-average people in Obamacare plans, pushing the cost of those plans higher, which will reflect badly on Obamacare, fueling motivation for its repeal.
    Well, "Obamacare" was the Heritage Foundation's private sector solution to begin with. It was inadequate from the outset, and has since been terminally damaged by congressional Republicans. It's probably for the best that we let it die and attempt to pass real UHC next time we get the chance to do so -- which could happen as early as next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    It's not about "bad plans" or the poor poor people who will run out of coverage. People who need care won't be interested in this plans. These plans are intended to enable adverse selection of healthy individuals out of the Obamacare plans, which will leave sicker-on-average people in Obamacare plans, pushing the cost of those plans higher, which will reflect badly on Obamacare, fueling motivation for its repeal.



    It's not shitty insurance.
    Yeah, it pretty much is. Short term, high deductible, little coverage, in other words shitty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    It's not about "bad plans" or the poor poor people who will run out of coverage. People who need care won't be interested in this plans. These plans are intended to enable adverse selection of healthy individuals out of the Obamacare plans, which will leave sicker-on-average people in Obamacare plans, pushing the cost of those plans higher, which will reflect badly on Obamacare, fueling motivation for its repeal.



    It's not shitty insurance.
    I might have known. Anything to make the ACA look bad.

    Everyone needs to have health insurance.People who don't "need" health care will sooner or later.
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    Trump administration unveils alternative to Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Think for myself View Post
    Yeah, it pretty much is. Short term, high deductible, little coverage, in other words shitty.
    You’re assessing it only through the lens of a sick person.

    It’s not shitty for the people who least need health care or coverage. What’s shitty for them is forcing them to pay for coverage they have the least statistical likelihood of needing.

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