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    Actually, it is. I have had it myself for various pain issues, and it had a desired effect (especially when combined with electro-stimulation). However, whether it accomplishes anything or not (including a desired result) is irrelevant; it has no scientific basis. Read more here.


    "Possible," but unlikely.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qigong

    Again, lacks a scientific basis.
    Qigong lacks a scientific basis, yes. It is a meditation just like Yoga and the others. But it does improve concentration, calm the mind down and improve posture. It is way better than antidepressants, from my experiences. But then again, I am combining it with foods that improve the mood like tomatoes and bananas. I have the latter for breakfast everyday, and a bowl of rice with tomatoes and fried eggs for lunch. In Chinese, it is called something like Fanjie Jidan mee fan. I probably butchered that Pinyin spelling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Can you be more specific? Different drugs, even within a similar class, do different things.


    Top Ten Legal Drugs Linked to Violence | TIME.com


    10. Desvenlafaxine (Pristiq) An antidepressant which affects both serotonin and noradrenaline, this drug is 7.9 times more likely to be associated with violence than other drugs.

    9. Venlafaxine (Effexor) A drug related to Pristiq in the same class of antidepressants, both are also used to treat anxiety disorders. Effexor is 8.3 times more likely than other drugs to be related to violent behavior. (More on Time.com: Adderall May Not Make You Smarter, But It Makes You Think You Are)

    8. Fluvoxamine (Luvox) An antidepressant that affects serotonin (SSRI), Luvox is 8.4 times more likely than other medications to be linked with violence

    7. Triazolam (Halcion) A benzodiazepine which can be addictive, used to treat insomnia. Halcion is 8.7 times more likely to be linked with violence than other drugs, according to the study.

    6) Atomoxetine (Strattera) Used to treat attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), Strattera affects the neurotransmitter noradrenaline and is 9 times more likely to be linked with violence compared to the average medication.

    5) Mefoquine (Lariam) A treatment for malaria, Lariam has long been linked with reports of bizarre behavior. It is 9.5 times more likely to be linked with violence than other drugs.

    4) Amphetamines: (Various) Amphetamines are used to treat ADHD and affect the brain’s dopamine and noradrenaline systems. They are 9.6 times more likely to be linked to violence, compared to other drugs.

    3) Paroxetine (Paxil) An SSRI antidepressant, Paxil is also linked with more severe withdrawal symptoms and a greater risk of birth defects compared to other medications in that class. It is 10.3 times more likely to be linked with violence compared to other drugs. (More on Time.com: Healthland’s Guide to Life 2011)

    2) Fluoxetine (Prozac) The first well-known SSRI antidepressant, Prozac is 10.9 times more likely to be linked with violence in comparison with other medications.

    1) Varenicline (Chantix) The anti-smoking medication Chantix affects the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor, which helps reduce craving for smoking. Unfortunately, it’s 18 times more likely to be linked with violence compared to other drugs — by comparison, that number for Xyban is 3.9 and just 1.9 for nicotine replacement. Because Chantix is slightly superior in terms of quit rates in comparison to other drugs, it shouldn’t necessarily be ruled out as an option for those trying to quit, however.




    and any drug who's side effects include "homicidal ideations", and "suicidal thoughts".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzareta View Post
    I would have had a hard time murdering too many with dad's heavy old 30-06.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univer...tower_shooting

    "Over the next 90 minutes he shot and killed 14 people (including one unborn child) and injured 31 others;"

    "a Remington 700 6-mm bolt-action hunting rifle, a .35-caliber pump rifle, a .30-caliber carbine (M1), a 9-mm Luger pistol, a Galesi-Brescia .25-caliber pistol, a Smith & Wesson M19 .357 Magnum revolver, and more than 700 rounds of ammunition."


    Note the m1 had only 3 round magazines.

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    In California you have to register and prove you are competent to own a firearm so what are you saying?

    California?s gun-related homicide rate up, reversing years of decline | The Sacramento Bee



    Seems some don't follow the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    In New York and Connecticut, they tried to set up gun registries. Gun owners simply refused to comply. And law enforcement decided it had a million other things to do than enforce them. Those are blue states. So what makes anyone think this kind of thing would work any better in red states.
    We already have gun control. In Chicago. And you can see how well it works there.



    I remember when I moved back to NJ, I had to get the firearms ID card to be "legal" with the weapons I had brought back with me. They handed me a punch of forms for registering each and every gun, I asked them what this was, they told me I had to fill it out. I pointed out the form stated:


    "voluntary registration of firearms".


    I asked them what they meant by voluntary.

    http://wallpolice.org/documents/fire...ms-SP-650I.pdf



    I did not fill out said form.

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    What prevented more deaths in Parkland was the shooter's weapon jamming. Maybe we should require gun manufacturers to build in random jamming technology. That way they can have whatever weapon they want and magazine capacity doesn't matter. The gun just becomes inoperable shortly after firing commences.

    ...thinkin' outside the box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univer...tower_shooting

    "Over the next 90 minutes he shot and killed 14 people (including one unborn child) and injured 31 others;"

    "a Remington 700 6-mm bolt-action hunting rifle, a .35-caliber pump rifle, a .30-caliber carbine (M1), a 9-mm Luger pistol, a Galesi-Brescia .25-caliber pistol, a Smith & Wesson M19 .357 Magnum revolver, and more than 700 rounds of ammunition."


    Note the m1 had only 3 round magazines.
    OVER 90 minutes, 52 years ago in 1966.
    An M-1 carbine with a 3 round magazine???

    I'd bet had AR-15's with large capacity mags had been as available as they are today that is what he would have been using. What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael J View Post
    Most of which haven't gone very far.
    Better then supposed educated people saying “we don’t know what is causing it”. This group has made good points that over 75 percent had no Father and it was backed up with an outside source. Most shooters had been on medication for sort of mental problems. . Most have a history of getting in trouble and had been reported to the police. Pretty good findings for a PH group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael J View Post
    From the article:

    The Catharsis Theory disputes the claim that violent video game content encourages aggression. This theory suggests that the emotional drive evoked by violent video game play reduces the chance of a child exhibiting violent behavior.

    The article then says there are no proven negative or positive long-term effects of violent video games.

    In regards to violent movies and comics, I dispute that claim because violent imagery that incites fear tends to put the brain into a passive, regressive state. Violent criminals are anything but passive.

    A while ago I explained Self Serving Biases to you. They're cognitive deceptions where you interpret information to mean what you want it to mean instead of what it actually means.
    If you think violent videos are ok for children then you must be ok with a child around 10 learning how to shoot a gun. Take a safety course and learn how to handle a gun safely

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    What prevented more deaths in Parkland was the shooter's weapon jamming. Maybe we should require gun manufacturers to build in random jamming technology. That way they can have whatever weapon they want and magazine capacity doesn't matter. The gun just becomes inoperable shortly after firing commences.

    ...thinkin' outside the box.
    I was shooting an AR15 once and it stuck on full auto. Could go the other way to.

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