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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Good God man you really need to ask a stupid question like that?
    So you don't have anything on that front either?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    WE are talking specifically about firearm murders/assaults.
    Punching someone in the face and grabbing their purse would be categorized as a "violent crime."
    Right, gun homicide rates have been decreasing for the last 30 years as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    Despite which it's still higher than Canada or Europe. Why has it happened? Nobody knows. Alcohol consumption is lower than other places, incomes are higher, unemployment lower...It's a puzzle.
    Keep in mind, these statistics are averaged. Some cities see A LOT of gun crime while others hardly ever see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Keep in mind, these statistics are averaged. Some cities see A LOT of gun crime while others hardly ever see it.
    Yep. Pull out Liberal bastions like Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis and DC and our crime rate is quite low compared to the rest of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I have seen the following suggestions made in this thread. Here are my responses to those:

    Violent video games, music, movies, &c. No. Not only do plenty of other countries utilize such games, but even before video games we had plenty of play violence in society.

    Both parents working. (Corrollaries: discipline coming from daycare and not parents, other "loss of the family unit.) No. This has never been all that unusual in American society, despite the pictures we draw of some kind of "golden age." Standard family unit composition has actually varied across history and across cultures, all depending on particular circumstances. In no case has anyone ever been able to draw a direct line from "the family unit doesn't [look like something in particular]" to "mass murder," because there is simply no logical way to do it.

    Schools cannot discipline kids. No. If anything, this is a net reduction in social violence. When one experiences violence, one is more likely to use it.

    U.S. constantly at war. I do not buy this one, either (but see next entry). Various countries in the past have been constantly at war for long periods of time, yet without an "epidemic" of mass murders.

    Culture of belligerence, selfishness and general militancy. This has something to it, though not sufficient in itself. The U.S. has always been built on a "greed is good" premise to some degree, and since WWII has become a country of the military-industrial complex (of which we were warned by a General / President) that includes belligerence toward "the enemy" (whoever that may be conceived to be), which leads to a more generally militant attitude looking both outward toward other countries and inward toward our neighbors. Nevertheless, that condition existed for decades after the end of WWII without a significant number of mass murders, so either a slow build-up is contributory but not primarily responsible, or it is not really the issue at all.

    Lack of mandatory military service. I doubt there is much relevance here, or much to support it. Long periods of non-conscription and non-war does not seem to correlate in any demonstrable way with mass murders.

    Infamy. This certainly seems to be a reason stated by some mass murderers. This is relatively easily enough fixed, though, that I think it might be little more than a contributing factor, more an afterthought than anything else.

    Psychotropic drugs. This might pose a chicken-egg problem: is the drug responsible, or the underlying mental illness the drug is prescribed to treat? It seems that mass shooters have more tended to be mentally ill and off their medications when committing mass murders, than committing the crimes because of the drugs. Then again, it is difficult to believe that mental illness has suddenly become more prevalent in the last few decades, or that it is not fundamentally the same in other countries as well. Something else is different.

    Proliferation of guns. This is certainly a distinction between the U.S. and other first-world nations. It is hard to be a mass murderer without weapons capable of murdering many people in a few minutes. Mass murders by axe or knife (for example) have always been relatively rare, compared to the almost regular mass shootings we are seeing. However, these have always been possible, even with revolvers; it is easier with semi-automatic weapons, but no so much as to suggest that this is the reason for the increase in the behavior.

    I think that covers what has been presented so far in this thread. I do not have something new to add, because I think it is a combination of factors, possibly of those listed above, that interact in a particularly volatile way, and I think it is the combinations we have to look at rather than looking for an easy answer.
    Well stated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    I don't normally sit around thinking about this type of stuff, but the only consistency between all shooters who've spoken about their crimes is attention/infamy that comes from sort of neglect early on. Either a common neglect or abuse, or traumatic event (the Parkland's mother died in Nov.) ---- or a supposed victimhood of neglect or abuse but really they are just baby bitches who can't function in our society for whatever reason... I'm not a doctor.

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    Clearly it isn't any one thing that has caused this. It's a combination of things that could include those listed above or others. There's just no way to trace it to one factor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I cannot buy this, either, since these things have always happened in society without mass murders.
    And what wasn't readily available in those societies? That question is an example of how this is a tangled conclusion, in any conclusion to this subject.

    We could very well have the same conditions of abuse or neglect all around the world throughout the years, but in one country in particular, you can rely on the media to put your face on every outlet across the nation if you just take this readily available instrument and do your worst. IE; a very bad mix.

    I'm just spit ballin' Ian. I really don't know. But patterns are emerging and even if gun-reduction or amendments go to fix the gun issue, we still have this whole other issue. Multiple other issues that tie in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    No offense, but we are having a conversation. If there is something from the video you wish to say, go ahead and say it. I'm not going to watch it just because it's posted in response.

    I saw Peterson on Rogan not too long ago. Great cast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    Clearly it isn't any one thing that has caused this. It's a combination of things that could include those listed above or others. There's just no way to trace it to one factor.
    It appears to be a bad mix. I'll give one bad mix that could reasonably conclude in instability.

    Drugging your kids.
    Then leaving them alone.
    Then not taking them serious.
    Not teaching them about survival in this world (from budgets to goals).
    Being a miserable parent/person, representing the world they get to look forward to when they get older.

    Will every kid going through this turn out bad? No.
    But it is a very bad mix. Especially when all they have to be is 18 and they can legally arm themselves for any reason they wish.

    So gun issue, certainly.
    But it's way more than that.
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