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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    The NRA doesn't sell guns any more than the ACLU sells newspapers.
    You don’t make sense any more than a snail entering a speed race with rabbits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Is there anyone here who believes this law would have prevented Cruz from doing what he did? If he couldn't acquire a gun til 21, which isn't certain, would he have been any more right in the mind at that point or just as dangerous?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    Society would have three extra years to discover his dangerousness and do something about it. Average shooting deaths with AR15-24, handgun-7. Even if he'd bought a handgun, he'd have shot fewer people.
    The crazy thing is that he WAS blocked from buying said handgun... but an AR-15... easy, want two? We have a promotion going, we throw in 500 rounds...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    The NRA doesn't sell guns any more than the ACLU sells newspapers.
    The NRA is a marketing entity.. their main function is to ensure the profits and market share of the gun industry that they represent. Unfortunately some people still buy into the NRA's "freedom vs tyranny" advertising campaign.

    What the NRA does is called "Fear Appeal" in the advertising industry..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_appeal
    Fear appeal is a term used in psychology, sociology and marketing. It generally describes a strategy for motivating people to take a particular action, endorse a particular policy, or buy a particular product, by arousing fear. A well-known example in television advertising was a commercial employing the musical jingle: "Never pick up a stranger, pick up Prestone anti-freeze." This was accompanied by images of shadowy strangers (hitchhikers) who would presumably do one harm if picked up. The commercial's main appeal was not to the positive features of Prestone anti-freeze, but to the fear of what a "strange" brand might do.

    A fear appeal is a persuasive message that attempts to arouse fear in order to divert behavior through the threat of impending danger or harm. It presents a risk, presents the vulnerability to the risk, and then may, or may not suggest a form of protective action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    Society would have three extra years to discover his dangerousness and do something about it. Average shooting deaths with AR15-24, handgun-7. Even if he'd bought a handgun, he'd have shot fewer people.
    Absolutely not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    Society would have three extra years to discover his dangerousness and do something about it. Average shooting deaths with AR15-24, handgun-7. Even if he'd bought a handgun, he'd have shot fewer people.
    Some responsible gun shop owners do refuse to sell guns to teenagers. nra will probably sue them also because the Parkland shooter pointed out the stores that wouldnt sell him guns..


    Florida gun shop owner turned away Nikolas Cruz when he tried to buy AR-15
    https://www.local10.com/news/parklan...ore-owner-says

    COCONUT CREEK, Fla. - Just a few months before the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, 19-year-old gunman Nikolas Cruz tried to buy an AR-15 rifle at a Coconut Creek pawn and gun shop, but he was turned away because of his age, the owner told Local 10 News in an exclusive interview.

    "And I asked him, it's the first question I ask everybody, 'How old are you?'" Razi recalled. "And I believe he said, 'Oh, I'm over 18.' I said, 'Are you under 21?' He said, 'Yes,' and I said, 'I don't sell any firearms to under the age of 21.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    Absolutely not true.
    I realise that. It's only two years because he's 19.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Is there anyone here who believes this law would have prevented Cruz from doing what he did? If he couldn't acquire a gun til 21, which isn't certain, would he have been any more right in the mind at that point or just as dangerous?
    hmmm, interesting argument. So, what other laws should we apply this logic too? How about "murder"? Should we not have laws against murder because they don't prevent people from being murdered too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    hmmm, interesting argument. So, what other laws should we apply this logic too? How about "murder"? Should we not have laws against murder because they don't prevent people from being murdered too?
    It's one of the funniest arguments. What about speed limits? People speed regardless, so why have laws against it? How about immigration? Criminals don't pay attention to laws so why make coming to our country illegally... well, illegal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    Hard to tell. But it would have served as a good deterrent to him rather than he seeing it as an unimpeded opportunity to legally purchase the weapon. Laws serve a good purpose as deterrents. Do they stop crime altogether? Unfortunately no. But those thinking of committing a crime seeing that there is a law on the books to severely punish them and even fine them on top of that may just stop to think twice before going through with the act.
    The vast majority of 18 year olds, while far from fully mature adults, are responsible enough to be trusted to vote, to serve in the military and to enter into legal contracts, they've been trusted to drive motor vehicles since sixteen. But they aren't responsible enough to purchase long guns, the very guns that the militia clause would recognize as "necessary"? BS.
    One mentally ill, malignant person doesn't disqualify all 18 year olds from exercising their second amendment rights.

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