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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Is there anyone here who believes this law would have prevented Cruz from doing what he did? If he couldn't acquire a gun til 21, which isn't certain, would he have been any more right in the mind at that point or just as dangerous?
    Yes. The mass murderer by gun in 21st century America has almost always used legally acquired guns.

    It's obviously a type of crime committed by a deranged, inflamed person (almost always a young man.)

    Ergo, taking gun rights off teenagers will prevent some (substantial) gun violence in future, whether in the form of mass murder or just botched suicide attempts.

    Proof of this assertion will be abundant at trial, if this case is not dismissed first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    Hard to tell. But it would have served as a good deterrent to him rather than he seeing it as an unimpeded opportunity to legally purchase the weapon. Laws serve a good purpose as deterrents. Do they stop crime altogether? Unfortunately no. But those thinking of committing a crime seeing that there is a law on the books to severely punish them and even fine them on top of that may just stop to think twice before going through with the act.
    Laws need not be 100% effective to survive a constitutional challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    You don’t make sense any more than a snail entering a speed race with rabbits.
    @Otto Throttle has inadvertently made the standing argument better than I did. This case should be dismissed, quickly.

    The NRA is not the real person whose rights are at issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    I am impressed that you figured out how to create 1-key text blocks.
    Nicely. Let's enjoy this happy time, and treat our 2A PHers nicely.

    They are an essential source of the expertise needed to solve the American gun violence problem, and our fellow citizens.

    @Otto Throttle is probably a great guy, kind to his mother and a huge animal lover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    The crazy thing is that he WAS blocked from buying said handgun... but an AR-15... easy, want two? We have a promotion going, we throw in 500 rounds...
    Link? I hadn't read that. How horrible.

    This law would have stopped Dylan Roof, the young man who massacred a bible study group in Charleston in 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    Someone explain to me - or them - how a restriction for SOME guns can be legal, and go for years without a challenge in court, and once all guns are treated with that same limit, it all of a sudden goes against the 2A ?
    This is the long overdue response to that bad legislation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Link? I hadn't read that. How horrible.

    This law would have stopped Dylan Roof, the young man who massacred a bible study group in Charleston in 2015.
    Dylan Roof was prohibited from buying any gun, the FBI laid down on its job. The bill in Congress that has the support of President Trump and the NRA would have prevented Roof from buying any firearm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Yes. The mass murderer by gun in 21st century America has almost always used legally acquired guns.

    It's obviously a type of crime committed by a deranged, inflamed person (almost always a young man.)

    Ergo, taking gun rights off teenagers will prevent some (substantial) gun violence in future, whether in the form of mass murder or just botched suicide attempts.

    Proof of this assertion will be abundant at trial, if this case is not dismissed first.
    That is not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    LOL - they are the gun manufacturer's lobby group.
    Not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    Society would have three extra years to discover his dangerousness and do something about it. Average shooting deaths with AR15-24, handgun-7. Even if he'd bought a handgun, he'd have shot fewer people.
    Sure, like at Virginia Tech in 2007, because handguns are practically harmless compared to ARs; that guy only killed 32, with handguns. And he did that "after a Virginia court declared him to be a danger to himself in late 2005 and sent him for psychiatric treatment" but "because of gaps between federal and Virginia state laws, the state did not report Cho's legal status to the National Instant Check System." So he passed the background check. Great.
    It seems we have so many unenforced gun laws already. Maybe we should start enforcing them, and maybe when someone see's something and says something the FBI could actually "do something about it" for a change. Starting any time now...
    But I know there are many who think infringing on the rights of all gun owners would be better, even though the armed criminals won't be affected. Great idea there. What could possibly go wrong?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_shooting

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