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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Upwards of 90% of all gun violence is committed by males aged 25 or younger.

    These people are too dangerous to entrust lethal weapons to as freely as we do other Americans. Some limits on their rights is the constitutional manner to advance the essential government function of public safety.
    So we should take away the rights of all young men? Then we shouldn't let them vote, or drive, or join the military. It's just too dangerous. In fact maybe young men should be chemically neutered as soon as the ritalin wears off.
    Or is it possible that the criminals make up a tiny percentage of all young men.
    For the record, any law that sweeps up whole classes of people and takes away their rights in hopes of somehow preventing the rare individual that's going to be a spree killer is insanely stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    This is akin to describing Mussolini as "an obsessive-compulsive with control issues".

    As to the NRA, one need look no further than the bodies of our children, stacked like cordwood.

    Fuck all the way off with that "civil rights" horseshit.
    You're going to have to explain the specific parallels.
    You clearly are confusing the NRA with some other organization that actually does kill lots of people... Planned Parenthood?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Sensational mass shootings are statistically insignificant. The vast majority of murders are drug dealers and gang members shooting each other, often with illegally acquired guns.
    Regarding what constitutes "substantial" gun violence, that's open to interpretation, but statistically relevant numbers of murders won't be prevented by infringing on huge numbers of young adults' rights.
    What does illegally acquired mean ?

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    Any gun a felon touches is an illegally possessed gun. Any gun used in the commission of a crime is an illegally possessed gun. So yes, gun crimes are committed with illegally possessed guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    What does illegally acquired mean ?
    Do you really need help with the concept? Felons can't legally acquire guns. Minors can't legally acquire guns. Use your imagination from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Do you really need help with the concept? Felons can't legally acquire guns. Minors can't legally acquire guns. Use your imagination from there.
    nope. you tell me. You seem to know.
    How exactly do they acquire those guns "illegally"?

    Is a minor acquiring a gun at a gun show acquiring "illegally"?
    Is a felon buying a gun form a private person acquiring 'illegally" ?

    If so, are the sellers engaged in illegal activity then as well ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Any gun a felon touches is an illegally possessed gun.
    Well, no. Mere touch does not constitute possession.

    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Any gun used in the commission of a crime is an illegally possessed gun.
    That does not make sense, either. If you legally own your gun, and then commit a crime with it, your mere possession of the weapon does not constitute a felon-in-possession, because you were not a felon (i.e., convicted) at the time you committed the crime, since that crime and conviction therefor is what made you a felon. You have your causation reversed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Well, no. Mere touch does not constitute possession.


    That does not make sense, either. If you legally own your gun, and then commit a crime with it, your mere possession of the weapon does not constitute a felon-in-possession, because you were not a felon (i.e., convicted) at the time you committed the crime, since that crime and conviction therefor is what made you a felon. You have your causation reversed.
    any person who, during and in relation to any crime of violence or drug trafficking crime (including a crime of violence or drug trafficking crime that provides for an enhanced punishment if committed by the use of a deadly or dangerous weapon or device) for which the person may be prosecuted in a court of the United States, uses or carries a firearm, or who, in furtherance of any such crime, possesses a firearm, shall, in addition to the punishment provided for such crime of violence or drug trafficking crime—
    (i) be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not less than 5 years;
    (ii) if the firearm is brandished, be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not less than 7 years; and
    (iii) if the firearm is discharged, be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not less than 10 years.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/924

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    That is a sentence enhancement for use of a firearm in the commission of a crime. You still are not a "felon in possession" or some such until you actually commit the crime. If you are exonerated of the actual crime (e.g., armed robbery), you cannot get the sentence enhancement. That is why the subject heading for that statute is "penalties" (with respect to firearms) and articulates, as it says, penalties rather than crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    That is a sentence enhancement for use of a firearm in the commission of a crime. You still are not a "felon in possession" or some such until you actually commit the crime. If you are exonerated of the actual crime (e.g., armed robbery), you cannot get the sentence enhancement. That is why the subject heading for that statute is "penalties" (with respect to firearms) and articulates, as it says, penalties rather than crimes.
    Uh huh.
    Any gun used in the commission of a crime is an illegally possessed gun.

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