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    Sen Warren: Tariffs should be part of US trade policy

    Democratic U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren, who has traded barbs with President Donald Trump, said on Sunday she’s “not afraid of tariffs,” Warren, who has been touted as a potential 2020 presidential candidate, said she saw a role for tariffs as part of U.S. trade policy.

    “I am not afraid of tariffs,” she said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” program. “We need a comprehensive rethinking of our trade policy.”

    Warren, a Massachusetts Democrat, said she was glad Trump agreed to exempt Canada and Mexico from the tariffs, but urged policymakers to think beyond a handful of particular industries when it comes to overhauling trade policy. I think that our trade deals have been negotiated for a very, very long time now to benefit large, multinational corporations, not to benefit the American worker,” she said.

    Trump’s tariffs, which he announced last Thursday, were met with swift opposition from many of the president’s fellow Republicans who say they will harm the economy. But Democrats have struck a more measured tone, as many members of the party’s progressive wing have long been critical of free trade agreements they believe harm U.S. workers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Democratic U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren, who has traded barbs with President Donald Trump, said on Sunday she’s “not afraid of tariffs,” Warren, who has been touted as a potential 2020 presidential candidate, said she saw a role for tariffs as part of U.S. trade policy.

    “I am not afraid of tariffs,” she said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” program. “We need a comprehensive rethinking of our trade policy.”

    Warren, a Massachusetts Democrat, said she was glad Trump agreed to exempt Canada and Mexico from the tariffs, but urged policymakers to think beyond a handful of particular industries when it comes to overhauling trade policy. I think that our trade deals have been negotiated for a very, very long time now to benefit large, multinational corporations, not to benefit the American worker,” she said.

    Trump’s tariffs, which he announced last Thursday, were met with swift opposition from many of the president’s fellow Republicans who say they will harm the economy. But Democrats have struck a more measured tone, as many members of the party’s progressive wing have long been critical of free trade agreements they believe harm U.S. workers.

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    Smart move by Mrs. Warren.

    Those democrats who oppose these tariffs are way out of touch with their own constituency (which is suppose to be the average working American.... or at least it used to be). That or they are corrupt and being influenced by corporate money (which is probably the case). Or they just have a bad case of TDS (which is also probably the case).

    I believe the democrat party could become great again. But they will have to shed those open-border loons out in California who are undermining the rule of law. Once they do that - and begin to focus again on issues relating to improving the actual lives of American workers I could see them making a come back. They also need to knock off all that stupid identity politics crap as well.

    So if Mrs. Warren wants to pursue trade reform and implement tariffs to protect American jobs - then that's an issue I'll be only happy to agree with her on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Smart move by Mrs. Warren.

    Those democrats who oppose these tariffs are way out of touch with their own constituency (which is suppose to be the average working American.... or at least it used to be). That or they are corrupt and being influenced by corporate money (which is probably the case). Or they just have a bad case of TDS (which is also probably the case).

    I believe the democrat party could become great again. But they will have to shed those open-border loons out in California who are undermining the rule of law. Once they do that - and begin to focus again on issues relating to improving the actual lives of American workers I could see them making a come back. They also need to knock off all that stupid identity politics crap as well.

    So if Mrs. Warren wants to pursue trade reform and implement tariffs to protect American jobs - then that's an issue I'll be only happy to agree with her on.
    You gotta stop suggesting that people disagree with you because of greed and corruption at some point, or it loses all meaning.

    Tariffs are explicitly leftist policy, to the left of where most Democrats traditionally are. It is the government dictating prices to the market.

    Warren is a leftist, so she favors leftist policy. People disagree with her because they're not leftists. That's it.

    All a tariff accomplishes is it makes it more expensive to buy things as the price increases on foreign goods and domestic producers match or slightly undercut that price.

    Then the same happens with any retaliatory measures on other goods from foreign entities, with the added effect of making it even harder for the U.S., which has a big trade imbalance, to export.
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    In any case it seems that the president is now going to bow to some pressure and put a host of exceptions into his tariffs.

    China and other recent trade cheaters will respond by simply exporting to us through the excepted markets. Nothing changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    You gotta stop suggesting that people disagree with you because of greed and corruption at some point, or it loses all meaning.
    And you need to stop mischaracterizing what I say. Otherwise debating with you loses all meaning.

    I said those democrat politicians who oppose tariffs are 1. Either out of touch with their own constituency... or 2. corrupt and being influenced by corporate money or 3. have a bad case of TDS.

    You can pick which ever option I gave you like. I never said everyone who disagreed with me was greedy and corrupt. But you have a lot to learn about politics if you don't think corporate money can corrupt politicians. So that is definitely a realistic possibility.

    We also disagree about tariffs. And thankfully so do some other democrats like Mrs. Warren. I also could care less about left vs right. Political ideologies do not interest me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    And you need to stop mischaracterizing what I say. Otherwise debating with you loses all meaning.

    I said those democrat politicians who oppose tariffs are 1. Either out of touch with their own constituency... or 2. corrupt and being influenced by corporate money or 3. have a bad case of TDS.

    You can pick which ever option I gave you like. I never said everyone who disagreed with me was greedy and corrupt. But you have a lot to learn about politics if you don't think corporate money can corrupt politicians. So that is definitely a realistic possibility.

    We also disagree about tariffs. And thankfully so do some other democrats like Mrs. Warren.
    And I didn't say you believe ALL people who disagree with you do so because of corruption, only that you said

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    That or they are corrupt and being influenced by corporate money (which is probably the case)

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    Probably the case with these people. So are you withdrawing that comment, or just refusing to acknowledge your own words?

    Otherwise, since you don't want to talk about what tariffs actually are and what they do, I'll state it again.

    It is the government telling a part of the market what stuff ought to cost, and the rest of it matches that price immediately so as the make the most competitive revenue possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    In any case it seems that the president is now going to bow to some pressure and put a host of exceptions into his tariffs.

    China and other recent trade cheaters will respond by simply exporting to us through the excepted markets. Nothing changes.
    Possible.

    But i don't think that is likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    And I didn't say you believe ALL people who disagree with you do so because of corruption, only that you said



    Probably the case with these people. So are you withdrawing that comment, or just refusing to acknowledge your own words?

    Otherwise, since you don't want to talk about what tariffs actually are and what they do, I'll state it again.

    It is the government telling a part of the market what stuff ought to cost, and the rest of it matches that price immediately so as the make the most competitive revenue possible.
    Whether I believe that is probably the case or not - that does not mean that was the only option I gave. You chose to ignore the fact that I left open the possibility they were just out of touch with their constituency. So I'm not withdrawing or refusing to acknowledge anything. You took my comments out of context and I corrected you on it.

    As I said in my last comment - you have a lot to learn about politics if you don't think it's a likely probability that corporate money can corrupt politicians and influence their decisions. Because I believe it is. So that was hardly an unreasonable suggestion on my part.

    And I would prefer to describe it as the Government protecting the interests of Americans by making sure any trade we do is done on a level playing field. Because you aren't going to be able to compete with a foreign competitor that operates at 1/10th of our labor costs with hardly any environmental regulations.

    I don't consider setting up our American Manufactures to fail through misguided trade policy is good for this country. And I think the millions of Americans who have lost their jobs as a result speaks for itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Whether I believe that is probably the case or not - that does not mean that was the only option I gave. You chose to ignore the fact that I left open the possibility they were just out of touch with their constituency. So I'm not withdrawing or refusing to acknowledge anything. You simply chose to take my comments out of context and I corrected you on it.

    As I said in my last comment - you have a lot to learn about politics if you don't think it's a likely probability that corporate money can corrupt politicians and influence their decisions. Because I believe it is. So that was hardly an unreasonable suggestion on my part.

    And I would prefer to describe it as the Government protecting the interests of Americans and making sure any trade we do is done on a level playing field. Because you aren't going to be able to compete with a foreign competitor that operates at 1/10th of our labor costs with hardly any environmental regulations.

    I don't consider setting up our American Manufactures to fail through misguided trade policy is good for this country. And I think the millions of Americans who have lost their jobs as a result speaks for itself.
    Left open the possibility? Weasel rhetoric. You said

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    (which is probably the case)

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    That indicates what you believe in the English language. You can choose to stand by your words or not.

    To the bold, sure it is. You don't need corporate influence to get politicians to oppose something they genuinely believe to be a bad idea. Most educated people think unilateral tariffs are a bad idea. Smoot Hawley and all that.

    The rest of your rhetoric does nothing to refute the simple fact that a tariff is, on a fundamental level, a price control. And manufacturers almost always oppose tariffs on raw materials.
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