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    Robert Mueller invokes ‘conspiracy to defraud government’ charge in Russia probe

    Robert Mueller is a piece of poo-poo ...

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    Robert Mueller invokes ‘conspiracy to defraud government’ charge in Russia probe

    Robert Mueller invokes 'conspiracy to defraud government' charge in Russia probe - Washington Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkman View Post
    Robert Mueller is a piece of poo-poo ...

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    Robert Mueller invokes ‘conspiracy to defraud government’ charge in Russia probe

    Robert Mueller invokes 'conspiracy to defraud government' charge in Russia probe - Washington Times
    Why? You think it shouldn't be a crime and its acceptable to break the law? If you are an American and you let a foreigner carry out activities in a US election you are conspiring with them to break the law.
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    Eventually those charges will be dismissed, pre-trial, or upon conviction on appeal, IMO.

    Smacks of Weissman though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Why? You think it shouldn't be a crime and its acceptable to break the law? If you are an American and you let a foreigner carry out activities in a US election you are conspiring with them to break the law.

    The election is not run by the federal government. So if the Weissman argument is to be defrauding the United States somehow in the election they really have an uphill battle.



    In summary, those activities which courts have held defraud the United States under 18 U.S.C. § 371 affect the government in at least one of three ways:

    [cited in USAM 9-42.001]

    They cheat the government out of money or property;

    They interfere or obstruct legitimate Government activity; or

    They make wrongful use of a governmental instrumentality.
    https://www.justice.gov/usam/crimina...acy-defraud-us
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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    The election is not run by the federal government. So if the Weissman argument is to be defrauding the United States somehow in the election they really have an uphill battle.



    https://www.justice.gov/usam/crimina...acy-defraud-us
    The general conspiracy statute, 18 U.S.C. § 371, creates an offense "[i]f two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose.

    LOL, Ok=I guess then the Federal Election Commission isn't real in Trump world

    The duties of the FEC, which is an independent regulatory agency, are to disclose campaign finance information, to enforce the provisions of the law such as the limits and prohibitions on contributions, and to oversee the public funding of Presidential elections.The Commission is made up of six members, who are appointed by the President of the United States and confirmed by the United States Senate. Each member serves a six-year term, and two seats are subject to appointment every two years.[1] By law, no more than three Commissioners can be members of the same political party, and at least four votes are required for any official Commission action.
    The Commission's role is limited to the administration of federal campaign finance laws. It enforces limitations and prohibitions on contributions and expenditures, administers the reporting system for campaign finance disclosure, investigates and prosecutes violations (investigations are typically initiated by complaints from other candidates, parties, watchdog groups, and the public), audits a limited number of campaigns and organizations for compliance, administers the presidential public funding programs for presidential candidates and, until recently, nominating conventions, and defends the statute in challenges to federal election laws and regulations.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federa...ion_Commission
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    Quote Originally Posted by eve1 View Post
    why? You think it shouldn't be a crime and its acceptable to break the law? If you are an american and you let a foreigner carry out activities in a us election you are conspiring with them to break the law.
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    Yeah, that's the ticket, defrauding the FEC. Uphill, uphill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Why? You think it shouldn't be a crime and its acceptable to break the law? If you are an American and you let a foreigner carry out activities in a US election you are conspiring with them to break the law.
    If liberals really followed what the preach - it's like you guys don't stop for a second and look at what you want to post - You would be FOR voter ID laws. But, you all want the ilegals voting, because that serves the end you desire. Such hypocrites

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    If liberals really followed what the preach - it's like you guys don't stop for a second and look at what you want to post - You would be FOR voter ID laws. But, you all want the ilegals voting, because that serves the end you desire. Such hypocrites
    You assume I’m a liberal and you assume I’m against voter ID laws=wrong and wrong. I think some form of ID should be provided to register to vote and thereafter each election should be done by mail in ballots. You show it once when you register and again if you change address. No address then register at a homeless shelter. I think voting at the polls is stupid. I also think when someone dies the funeral home should send out notices to the govt including the state you live in to take you off the voter rolls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    You assume I’m a liberal and you assume I’m against voter ID laws=wrong and wrong. I think some form of ID should be provided to register to vote and thereafter each election should be done by mail in ballots. You show it once when you register and again if you change address. No address then register at a homeless shelter. I think voting at the polls is stupid. I also think when someone dies the funeral home should send out notices to the govt including the state you live in to take you off the voter rolls.
    What you propose is a common practice in many countries. I vote several time a year by mail and for that I receive by mail a voting specific voting card I have to sign . I return the card with my votes in a sealed envelop. At the counting up my voting card is first removed to check my registration and the envelop goes directly into the ballot-box. It is still possible to vote in a traditional going going to the polling station. We also discuss voting by internet and how to secure it . You do not need to register specifically to vote and as long as you are registered somewhere you receive the voting material. Of course we probably keep more records on people than in the US. It makes probably easier to implement voting by mail.

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