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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    If the 1994-2004 AWB had been allowed to continue there would have been no massacres at Sandy Hook, Aurora, Las Vegas or other places because the weapons and the high capacity magazines used would not have been available on gun store shelves where they were all bought.

    WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG.


    1. dealers could still buy and sell pre-ban weapons and magazines. on the open market during the AWB magazines were about twice what they are now, pre-ban 30 round etc.

    2. you could make a 30 round magazine "legal" by putting a screw in it preventing it from loading more than 10 rounds.

    3. post ban rifles had all the capability of pre-ban.




    But I thank you for keeping with the topic of the thread my friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    you are off on so many levels here.
    And yet you only can find two things to complain about. Funny that.

    we look to the past to see if possibly a law might have prevented something. I also never said "would have" prevented, but "might".

    We raise or lower speed limits based on data collected. why are you saying we should not do that here?
    Yes, "data." Multiple cases, over a significant period of time. It's irresponsible to use a singular instance to pass legislation or argue for something entirely new.

    That's not how empirical research is conducted and it's not how policymakers should do their jobs.

    At the same time, it's OK to use a singular instance to pressure policymakers to open their minds to empirical research they had previously rejected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    And yet you only can find two things to complain about. Funny that.


    Yes, "data." Multiple cases, over a significant period of time. It's irresponsible to use a singular instance to pass legislation or argue for something entirely new.

    That's not how empirical research is conducted and it's not how policymakers should do their jobs.

    At the same time, it's OK to use a singular instance to pressure policymakers to open their minds to empirical research they had previously rejected.




    and your building strawmen now. I won't debate arguments I never made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Well, for one, it's dumb to suggest that a gun ban would've stopped any given mass shooting .....
    and it's equally dumb to argue that gun control legislation could not have stopped any given shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    and it's equally dumb to argue that gun control legislation could not have stopped any given shooting.

    I haven't. I want to know what laws one would propose, and which and how that law would have stopped any of the past shootings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG.
    All rifles and magazines were purchased legally off gun store shelves.
    They wouldn't have been there if NRA pressure hadn't killed the AWB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    If the 1994-2004 AWB had been allowed to continue there would have been no massacres at Sandy Hook, Aurora, Las Vegas or other places because the weapons and the high capacity magazines used would not have been available on gun store shelves where they were all bought.
    Or, crazy thought here, the shooters would have just used some other kind of gun or weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    and your building strawmen now. I won't debate arguments I never made.
    Suit yourself. I'm still going to post in your thread because it's an interesting topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    I haven't. I want to know what laws one would propose, and which and how that law would have stopped any of the past shootings.
    I answered you.
    The fact that you don't like my answer does not mean I didn't provide one.

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    Enforce the laws against straw purchases. That would prevent thousands of shootings, including San Bernardino.
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