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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    You do know that the pre-ban and post ban ar-15 were not conisdered "substantially identical?"
    What the fuck difference does that make? It's your state that is about to ban them and you that is about to be the criminal, go cry to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    I would just have the UK gun laws. They seem to be working.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...l_2016_v20.pdf
    I would think that my recommendation of including all semi-auto firearms (with the recommended descriptions) would, based on previous findings and history, significantly reduce the use of firearms in crimes. to this point, there have been only a handful of recorded uses of this class of firearm (legally owned) since the 1934/1938 NFA was enacted and gone into force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo2 View Post
    Easy peasy, lemon squeezy! It's been done before elsewhere - get rid of the 2nd Amendment, and make it illegal to carry a gun in public, and to own a gun without a license and a good reason to have one (self-defence would not apply).

    Anyone in breach gets ten years in prison, anyone committing a crime with a gun (which would include shooting an unarmed person,) gets life imprisonment.

    That situation would have prevented all the mass shootings from the date such legislation was introduced - no guns - no shootings. Q.E.D.



    So unless that guy who broke into your home and is raping your wife has a gun, you can't shoot him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    I would just have the UK gun laws. They seem to be working.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...l_2016_v20.pdf



    So much so that the UK is suffering from a knife attacks and acid attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    What the fuck difference does that make? It's your state that is about to ban them and you that is about to be the criminal, go cry to them.


    Everything I have in Jersey is legal. You are moving the argument to hide the fact you are ignorant AF on the AWB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    So unless that guy who broke into your home and is raping your wife has a gun, you can't shoot him?
    Oh c'mon, you KNOW it would be a lot more fun to beat him to death with a Louisville Slugger or maybe a 9 iron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    So much so that the UK is suffering from a knife attacks and acid attacks.
    In 2012 the murder rate in the United Kingdom was 1.0 and in the United States it was 4.7 (=470% higher). And it's much more easy to learn what to do against an attacker with a knife than to do something against someone who ... No - I do not say this now! In general a serious risk analysis needs probabilistic, qualitative and quantitative elements. As far as I can see all three factor are incredibly high in the USA - many very dangerous cheap weapons and lots of stupid, brutal and mad people and a still growing weapon cult.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-eG-ItWhM0
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaangalewa View Post
    In 2012 the murder rate in the United Kingdom was 1.0 and in the United States it was 4.7 (=470%). And it's much more easy to learn what to do against an attacker with a knife than to do something against someone who ... No - I do not say this now.
    I'd rather be shot than have acid thrown in my face.

    And I say that as someone who actually does have a bullet in the face (it's lodged behind my jawbone).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    Propose a gun law, then discuss how your law would have stopped a past shooting.


    We talk about gun laws non-stop these days often with little discussion on how it would have prevented any of the previous mass shootings. Let's do that now.


    I'll go first.


    I propose we ban those on psychoactive drugs black boxed by the FDA to highlight side effects such as "homicidal ideations" and "suicidal thoughts" from buying, owning or possessing guns while on the medication.

    This would have potentially stopped

    1. Columbine - Zuvox
    2. Aurora - Zoloft
    3. V-tech - Prozac
    4. N Ill U - Prozac
    5. Pinelake - Lexipro
    6. Newton - fanapt (this ones a doozy)



    There are about a half dozen more that I can list, but I believe that my proposed ban on those on such medications might have prevented 1 or more of these shootings.
    Sounds good to me, our represenatives can't even come up with that solution. There was a thread awhile back that proved most of those shootings, the shooter had anti depressants in their system. Hate to say this, but I found Liberals don't really want to stop the shootings, they just want to take guns away from people, thinking the bad guys will obey the law and stop shooting kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    So unless that guy who broke into your home and is raping your wife has a gun, you can't shoot him?
    In the UK, the concept of self defence is not limited to personal danger - it may be extended to acting on behalf of the safety of others, particularly the potentially defenceless. Within the peculiar circumstance you describe (someone raping your wife in your presence,) it is my opinion that a load of shotgun pellets in the bare buttocks, from but one barrel of the weapon, would dampen his ardour for the task in which he is currently engaged. But the principal of a proportional response would nonetheless apply. Your justifiable rage at the intrusion would be taken into account by any jury, but you would need to convince the court - should you kill him - that there was no other way of preventing him continuing the offence. Not, in my opinion, an argument automatically assured of success (anywhere in Europe - at any rate).

    The tactic which would be assured of argumental failure (not to mention a possible life sentence,) would be to kill someone for merely trespassing within one's property.

    However, one must expect the principle of 'autres temps autres murs' to apply depending upon the national legal environment, and that argument may carry weight in your society.

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