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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    No if I would I would be your next door neighbor.

    I am on earth... Enjoying my tax cuts, enjoying a NOKO becoming a non-nuclear state, enjoying life with lower tariffs on US Goods sold in China, a world without ISIS, \

    Planet Kabob, is a place where there are Angry LWers live.
    So far all you got is tax cuts.

    What happened to Mexico paying for the wall, repealing Obamacare, healthcare for everyone payed for by our government, and rebuilding our infrastructure?

    You got conned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    None of that is obstruction of justice. See my sig.
    Your use US v Aguilar to discount the Omnibus Clause of 18 U.S.C. 1503 is not valid in a Special Prosecutor and the Constitutional 'prosecution' of a President.

    The US' case against Aguilar was not upheld because the Court ruled Aguilar's actions would have not influenced the further proceedings that he may or may not have been subject to.

    UNITED STATES v. AGUILAR
    Held:

    1. Uttering false statements to an investigating agent who might or might not testify before a grand jury is not sufficient to make out a violation of 1503's[*] prohibition of "endeavor[ing] to influence, obstruct, or impede . . . the due administration of justice." The "nexus" requirement developed in recent court of appeals decisions - whereby the accused's act must have a relationship in time, causation, or logic with grand jury or judicial proceedings - is a correct construction of 1503's very broad language. Under that approach, the accused must take action with an intent to influence such proceedings; it is not enough that there be an intent to influence some ancillary proceeding, such as an investigation independent of the court's or grand jury's authority.
    https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supre...t/515/593.html

    In Trump's case there is not the normal procedure of a usual court proceedings with a grand jury and trial with a jury.

    Hence, US v Aguilar is not relative in a Presidential-Special Prosecutor proceeding.

    [*]1724. Protection Of Government Processes -- Omnibus Clause -- 18 U.S.C. 1503
    The omnibus clause, or "catch-all provision" of 18 U.S.C. § 1503, provides:

    Whoever . . . corruptly or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice, shall be (guilty of an offense).

    https://www.justice.gov/usam/crimina...se-18-usc-1503
    Last edited by DebateDrone; 12th April 2018 at 02:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    here's the reporting.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...erview-n865421

    so, MSNBC is discussing the matter as if it's a foregone conclusion that Mueller will provide a report finding that Mueller has concluded that Trump engaged in obstruction of justice, according to "sources close to the investigation". What's next? A referral to Rod Rosenstein. Which will be referred to Congress. Who will then decide whether to draw up articles of impeachment.

    Yeah....right.
    We may never learn WHAT Mueller has found. Rosenstein and Congress will get his report, but neither has to reveal anymore of the details than its wishes to. They could just shove it in a drawer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    None of that is obstruction of justice. See my sig.
    you actually think anyone gives a shit or believes what your sig says?
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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    AS Comey read out loud all the nefarious deeds of hillary but there is no reason to prosecute. Muelller has found far less and is expecting something to come of it?
    Clinton wasn't in office when Comey issued his report. No one is suggesting Trump be prosecuted. Impeached, perhaps, but not prosecuted....

    You think the Republican House would not have issued articles of impeachment against SecState Clinton if she'd still been serving?

    Also, the question in both cases is intent. Comey recommended against prosecuting Clinton because they could not prove her intent. That doesn't seem to be a problem with the case against Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    If Trump's endorsement no longer carries weight in Pennsylvania or Alabama (and it obviously doesn't), then I don't see how congressional Republicans stand to gain anything by keeping him in office any longer. Most of them didn't even want him as a candidate to begin with.
    Most of them still think he is a flamming asshole, they put up with him only because he is the leader of their party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunchboxxy View Post
    Sorry guys, I have absolutely no faith that the GOP congress will bring impeachment proceedings against Trump under any circumstances
    Good, the longer the asshole is in office the longer the repubs will pay for it. Yeah, the rest of us will too but there isn't much we can do about that. Impeach him in 2019 just in time for the presidential election to embarrass republicans prior to that election too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    None of that is obstruction of justice. See my sig.
    Well, that proves it! lol.
    You're as credible as your stupid links all over this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunchboxxy View Post
    Sorry guys, I have absolutely no faith that the GOP congress will bring impeachment proceedings against Trump under any circumstances
    I agree, they would never do that to their own party, even though it is Trump and they themselves want him gone, now come November when the Dems take over then impeachment may happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    AS Comey read out loud all the nefarious deeds of hillary but there is no reason to prosecute. Muelller has found far less and is expecting something to come of it?
    Really? Far less? how many were indicted and charged and pled guilty in the Hillary investigation? His reason to not prosecute was because he had nothing to charge her with.
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