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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Unless Trump wanted to confess to Cohen crimes Trump committed without the knowledge and without the participation of Cohen ...those crimes are not Mueller's preview.
    Actually, the only things that could be used would be evidence of a crime being committed by Cohen and Trump together, since a lawyer cannot claim client confidentiality to cover up his own illegal behavior. Even any crime Mueller is investigating, that Trump might confess to Cohen, would be confidential and privileged information.

    http://www.nycourts.gov/rules/jointa...nduct-1200.pdf
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    lordy, there are tapes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunchboxxy View Post
    Good thing that didn’t happen then I guess.

    Cohen was raided by the FBI/DOJ for the Southern District of New York because they had sufficient evidence of criminal activity to obtain several search warrents. The SDNY doesn’t have specific “mandate” on what crimes they can pursue
    It was a hand off. They are all related. This initially came from Mueller.

    DoJ / FBI vs. Clinton:

    • ALL of her subordinates received immunity and didn't even have to be interviewed or testify.
    • Clinton interview
      - not under oath
      - not recorded
      - no hard questions
    • Destruction of 33,000 emails under subpoena shrugged off and Attorney Client privilege invoked without question
    • Uranium One deal with Russians signed off on by same FBI/DoJ hacks going after Trump



    DoJ / FBI vs. Trump:

    • No knock 3 AM Search of private residence
    • Unmasking of many Trump Staffers by unknown sources in the Obama Administration (through Samantha Powers user and Susan Rice)
    • Leaking of Unmasked staff by the Obama DoJ / FBI to the press in violation of the 4th Amendment
    • No immunity deals
    • Special Federal Unit established
    • Non mandated investigations on non-Russian Collusion elements
    • Personal Lawyers Home, Office, and Hotel Room raided - No Attorney Client Privilege
    • Multiple DoJ / FBI staff either demoted, reassigned, or fired due to unethical behavior
      - James Comey
      - Peter Strzok
      - Bruce G. Ohr
      - Sally Yates
      - Andrew McCabe
    • DoJ / FBI fought Congressional oversight repeatedly and refused to turn over documents
    • False documents created by Clinton team used to justify warrants and investigation



    I hope Leftists understand that these incredible double standards will historically bury you. What has gone on here is not acceptable and "We the People" (at least the honest ones) will not sit back and let this pass.
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    come on folks. We're missing a big part of the picture here. The FBI is now in procession of damaging information on Trump. So damaging that Cohen is trying to prevent them from looking at it. That's a big friggin deal. This is karmic retribution for Trump waging a war on the FBI. Cuz, let's just be real here. It's the FBI. They can "inadvertently" cause that information to be leaked. Think "wikileaks" and the influence it had on the election. Yeah, like I said....karmic retribution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    In my state, recording an in-person conversation is (generally-speaking - there are explicit statutory exceptions) criminal if all parties do not know or reasonably know they are being recorded; consent is not required. But also in my state, recording a phone conversation requires only the consent of one party to the conversation.

    As to other states, I cannot say offhand, though I can certainly look them whichever state's laws we might need to know.
    I've read that NY is a "one-party consent" state."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    When the FBI / DoJ raids a personal lawyer for the President of the United States on events unrelated to their mandate, the whole nation should worry.
    Well, no. First of all, the term "raid" is not entirely accurate, because a warrant was obtained - and no magistrate would sign a warrant like this absent very compelling concerns about preserving evidence of a crime (which it is illegal to destroy). Second of all, the nation should really worry when a president uses his personal lawyer - or any other person - to cover up the commission of a crime, especially when the lawyer himself participates in it. N.Y. Penal Law § 215.40(2). It is a class E felony in New York.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    It was a hand off. They are all related. This initially came from Mueller.

    DoJ / FBI vs. Clinton:

    • ALL of her subordinates received immunity and didn't even have to be interviewed or testify.
    • Clinton interview
      - not under oath
      - not recorded
      - no hard questions
    • Destruction of 33,000 emails under subpoena shrugged off and Attorney Client privilege invoked without question
    • Uranium One deal with Russians signed off on by same FBI/DoJ hacks going after Trump



    DoJ / FBI vs. Trump:

    • No knock 3 AM Search of private residence
    • Unmasking of many Trump Staffers by unknown sources in the Obama Administration (through Samantha Powers user and Susan Rice)
    • Leaking of Unmasked staff by the Obama DoJ / FBI to the press in violation of the 4th Amendment
    • No immunity deals
    • Special Federal Unit established
    • Non mandated investigations on non-Russian Collusion elements
    • Personal Lawyers Home, Office, and Hotel Room raided - No Attorney Client Privilege
    • Multiple DoJ / FBI staff either demoted, reassigned, or fired due to unethical behavior
      - James Comey
      - Peter Strzok
      - Bruce G. Ohr
      - Sally Yates
      - Andrew McCabe
    • DoJ / FBI fought Congressional oversight repeatedly and refused to turn over documents
    • False documents created by Clinton team used to justify warrants and investigation



    I hope Leftists understand that these incredible double standards will historically bury you. What has gone on here is not acceptable and "We the People" (at least the honest ones) will not sit back and let this pass.
    Except all of the parties involved are Republicans, so where does this "lefties" bullshit come from?

    Rosenstein: Republican
    Mueller: Republican
    New York Federal Prosecutor: Republican
    Attorney Genera Sessions: Republican
    Comey: Republican

    You need to get your shit together...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Nobody, client or lawyer, can claim privilege to conceal criminal acts.
    If a client or potential client tells me he committed a crime, I cannot reveal that information, nor can I be compelled to testify about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I've read that NY is a "one-party consent" state."
    It might be. I'll take a look.

    Edit: That looks to be the case, though the search engine on the website for NY statutes is terrible.
    Last edited by Ian Jeffrey; 13th April 2018 at 11:06 AM.

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