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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    When the FBI / DoJ raids a personal lawyer for the President of the United States on events unrelated to their mandate, the whole nation should worry.

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    If they did it without a warrant, I'd agree with you. I think that when the FBI/DOJ can convince a judge to give them a no-knock warrant for such communication, and the client is the president, the whole nation should worry. The judge had to see 1) probable cause that they were conspiring to commit a crime and 2) evidence that the lawyer would destroy such materials if simply asked to turn them over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    It was a hand off. They are all related. This initially came from Mueller.

    DoJ / FBI vs. Clinton:

    • ALL of her subordinates received immunity and didn't even have to be interviewed or testify.
    • Clinton interview
      - not under oath
      - not recorded
      - no hard questions
    • Destruction of 33,000 emails under subpoena shrugged off and Attorney Client privilege invoked without question
    • Uranium One deal with Russians signed off on by same FBI/DoJ hacks going after Trump



    DoJ / FBI vs. Trump:

    • No knock 3 AM Search of private residence
    • Unmasking of many Trump Staffers by unknown sources in the Obama Administration (through Samantha Powers user and Susan Rice)
    • Leaking of Unmasked staff by the Obama DoJ / FBI to the press in violation of the 4th Amendment
    • No immunity deals
    • Special Federal Unit established
    • Non mandated investigations on non-Russian Collusion elements
    • Personal Lawyers Home, Office, and Hotel Room raided - No Attorney Client Privilege
    • Multiple DoJ / FBI staff either demoted, reassigned, or fired due to unethical behavior
      - James Comey
      - Peter Strzok
      - Bruce G. Ohr
      - Sally Yates
      - Andrew McCabe
    • DoJ / FBI fought Congressional oversight repeatedly and refused to turn over documents
    • False documents created by Clinton team used to justify warrants and investigation



    I hope Leftists understand that these incredible double standards will historically bury you. What has gone on here is not acceptable and "We the People" (at least the honest ones) will not sit back and let this pass.

    Yep. Mueller found evidence of a crime, but it was outside his mandate so he sent it on to the proper division to investigate.


    How is that improper in any way? Isn’t that evidence that he’s NOT overstepping his boundaries by letting the regional AG (who was personally picked by Trump after a 1 on 1 interview) and FBI handle the situation?

    Oh and here is a fun fact, republicans control the White House, the Senate and the House. Trump’s own appointments currently head the FBI and the DOJ. Your whining about HRC doesn’t add up. If there was ANYTHING they could get her on, they would
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronwyn View Post
    No they don't, but they can sure leak privileged information, and it's already begun.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveKopa...39899307233280
    There are many people aware of the information mentioned in your leak. How about individuals related to the recipient of the payment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Except all of the parties involved are Republicans, so where does this "lefties" bullshit come from?

    Rosenstein: Republican
    Mueller: Republican
    New York Federal Prosecutor: Republican
    Attorney Genera Sessions: Republican
    Comey: Republican

    You need to get your shit together...
    For the 4th or 5th time, party doesn't matter here. It's Establishment (Swamp) vs. Non-Establishment

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    So the new right wing meme is that all those Republicans in the DOJ and the FBI are working under the orders of Hillary Clinton as deep state operatives? Does that about cover it?

    Hold on, they are playing your song:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunchboxxy View Post
    Yep. Mueller found evidence of a crime, but it was outside his mandate so he sent it on to the proper division to investigate.


    How is that improper in any way? Isn’t that evidence that he’s NOT overstepping his boundaries by letting the regional AG (who was personally picked by Trump after a 1 on 1 interview) and FBI handle the situation?

    Oh and here is a fun fact, republicans control the White House, the Senate and the House. Trump’s own appointments currently head the FBI and the DOJ. Your whining about HRC doesn’t add up. If there was ANYTHING they could get her on, they would
    That is called a FISHING EXPEDITION. They purposely went down roads that weren't in the mandate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    For the 4th or 5th time, party doesn't matter here. It's Establishment (Swamp) vs. Non-Establishment
    And yet you complained of leftist double standards. Either it is party, or it is not.

    In any case, it is amusing to see people buy into Trump's claims/delusions of persecution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    That is called a FISHING EXPEDITION. They purposely went down roads that weren't in the mandate.
    If the DOJ came across probable cause, then the fish presented itself (to continue the metaphor).

    Fishing expeditions are not illegal. They are a normal part of the civil discovery process (and in fact that is what the civil discovery process is). If evidence of a crime exists, they should go get it, and with a warrant - unless improperly obtained - it's about as legal as it gets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    If they did it without a warrant, I'd agree with you. I think that when the FBI/DOJ can convince a judge to give them a no-knock warrant for such communication, and the client is the president, the whole nation should worry. The judge had to see 1) probable cause that they were conspiring to commit a crime and 2) evidence that the lawyer would destroy such materials if simply asked to turn them over.
    You left out 3) be a friend of the Establishment Hacks in the FBI / DoJ like the Judge Peter Strzok and Lisa Page had a cocktail party with who did their dirty work and then immediately recused himself.

    Let's not forget about the dirty judge here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    If the DOJ came across probable cause, then the fish presented itself (to continue the metaphor).

    Fishing expeditions are not illegal. They are a normal part of the civil discovery process (and in fact that is what the civil discovery process is). If evidence of a crime exists, they should go get it, and with a warrant - unless improperly obtained - it's about as legal as it gets.
    How often do Judges issue no knock warrants without probable cause? Only when they are part of Hillary Clintons "deep state"?
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