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    FBI may have seized recorded conversations from

    Holy moly! I hope this is true.

    Donald Trump's personal attorney often recorded telephone conversations both before and during the 2016 presidential campaign that likely have been scooped up in the FBI raid on attorney Michael Cohen's apartment, office and hotel room, according to sources familiar with the matter.


    These recorded conversations, according to one source, were even played back at times to candidate Trump and associates, the source said. Among the recordings were discussions about the campaign and interactions with the media, the source said.


    This information reveals how extensively the FBI is reviewing Cohen's job as a fixer for Trump as well as his own personal financial entanglements.

    Some of the recordings may have been on the cellphones or computers that were seized by the FBI during Monday's raid. It's likely to raise concerns among Trump allies that the recordings are under review because of the uncertainty over what was recorded.
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/12/polit...gs0943PMVODtop
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    That is an interesting development. If this story is true, then most (if not all) of those recordings were made illegally.

    Cohen has already stated, through his lawyers, that he will take the 5th.

    Soon enough, he's going to have to decide whether his loyalty to his boss is worth going to prison for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    That is an interesting development. If this story is true, then most (if not all) of those recordings were made illegally.
    "Illegally" how?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    "Illegally" how?
    Recording private conversations without the consent of all parties involved in the conversation is a crime in most states, is it not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Recording private conversations without the consent of all parties involved in the conversation is a crime in most states, is it not?
    In my state, recording an in-person conversation is (generally-speaking - there are explicit statutory exceptions) criminal if all parties do not know or reasonably know they are being recorded; consent is not required. But also in my state, recording a phone conversation requires only the consent of one party to the conversation.

    As to other states, I cannot say offhand, though I can certainly look them whichever state's laws we might need to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    In my state, recording an in-person conversation is (generally-speaking - there are explicit statutory exceptions) criminal if all parties do not know or reasonably know they are being recorded; consent is not required. But also in my state, recording a phone conversation requires only the consent of one party to the conversation.

    As to other states, I cannot say offhand, though I can certainly look them whichever state's laws we might need to know.
    What do you think about Mueller's distruction of the privilege between a lawyer and his Client.

    If Mueller can do this, then you privilege between your clients is no longer sacred

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post




    OOOH more anonymous sources. what's the over under on this being more #fakenews?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    That is an interesting development. If this story is true, then most (if not all) of those recordings were made illegally.

    Cohen has already stated, through his lawyers, that he will take the 5th.

    Soon enough, he's going to have to decide whether his loyalty to his boss is worth going to prison for him.




    remember the day where you didn't have to preface support of a cnn article with "if this story is true". lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    What do you think about Mueller's distruction of the privilege between a lawyer and his Client.
    He did not do that. He got a warrant, which means a federal magistrate signed off. Otherwise, the search would have been illegal irrespective of lawyer-client confidentiality or privilege (which are two different things).

    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    If Mueller can do this, then you privilege between your clients is no longer sacred.
    Well, no ... that is excessively dramatic, and not really accurate. Courts can and do (I represented an attorney in one such a situation) order the turning over of items otherwise covered by confidentiality, and in fact the attorney is prohibited in most cases from turning anything over without a court order. Whether the evidence is usable is where privilege comes in, and is the defendant's place to assert at or prior to trial in a motion to suppress (which the court may nor may not grant, depending on the legal memoranda and arguments). These are all extraordinary circumstances, and in any case neither confidentiality nor privilege has ever been absolute. There is a great deal of nuance involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Recording private conversations without the consent of all parties involved in the conversation is a crime in most states, is it not?
    In New York only one party needs to know that a two way conversation is being recorded. Since they are Cohen's I will assume he knew and they were recorded in NY so in short they are not illegal.

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