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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    And the President has the power to commute or pardon. That is how it works. Remember a certain Manning that got clemency?
    The difference here is Trump only did it because it made him feel powerful, he strokes his own ego, since not many around to help it swell. It was only because Trump is a thin skinned spoiled little brat of a child, can't handle any criticism, had to show Comey he ain't taken' it. Ya know, like the kiddie playground and the kiddie remark.... na na na na na! Such a joke of a President. No one even cares about Scooter at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    All of Obama's pardons happened on the recommendation of the Office of the Pardon Attorney or after years of advocacy by third parties with no relation to the president. By longstanding tradition, a pardon is granted to someone who has expressed contrition and willfully paid severe penalties for their crime, and is either asking to have their post-release federal criminal record cleared or to be freed from a life sentence. Carter, Reagan, H.W. Bush, W. Bush and Obama all followed this tradition with their pardons (executive commutation, which doesn't erase a conviction, is a bit more discretionary). Clinton violated the tradition with Marc Rich and others. So far, Trump has done nothing but violate the tradition, in arbitrarily pardoning people he himself/key aides have political and personal connections to.
    Good points.

    Again, it doesn't really matter to me THAT Libby was pardoned. The disappointing part is WHY and HOW it happened. I've disagreed with pardons before for specific individuals, but it's a power the founders gave the president and it should be respected. But the president should also use that power responsibly and with great thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    Good points.

    Again, it doesn't really matter to me THAT Libby was pardoned. The disappointing part is WHY and HOW it happened. I've disagreed with pardons before for specific individuals, but it's a power the founders gave the president and it should be respected. But the president should also use that power responsibly and with great thought.
    There's something fundamentally wrong with granting a pardon to someone who already received a commutation. Most Americans never meet the sitting President of the United States. I have only personally encountered two former presidents long after they left office.

    And yet this professional ... partisan hack and legal flunkie ... has pulled enough strings to get two different presidents to make extraordinary interventions on his behalf?

    That's not fair, not ethical and it sure as HELL is not draining the swamp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    All of Obama's pardons happened on the recommendation of the Office of the Pardon Attorney or after years of advocacy by third parties with no relation to the president. By longstanding tradition, a pardon is granted to someone who has expressed contrition and willfully paid severe penalties for their crime, and is either asking to have their post-release federal criminal record cleared or to be freed from a life sentence. Carter, Reagan, H.W. Bush, W. Bush and Obama all followed this tradition with their pardons (executive commutation, which doesn't erase a conviction, is a bit more discretionary). Clinton violated the tradition with Marc Rich and others. So far, Trump has done nothing but violate the tradition, in arbitrarily pardoning people he himself/key aides have political and personal connections to.
    Carter pardoned all Vietnam draft dodgers. Ford pardoned Nixon. None of those paid a heavy price or served a lot of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beatleboy View Post
    The difference here is Trump only did it because it made him feel powerful, he strokes his own ego, since not many around to help it swell. It was only because Trump is a thin skinned spoiled little brat of a child, can't handle any criticism, had to show Comey he ain't taken' it. Ya know, like the kiddie playground and the kiddie remark.... na na na na na! Such a joke of a President. No one even cares about Scooter at this point.
    You seem to care, a lot.

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