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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    I'm sure this is a line used by people with the intent to loiter. If I am waiting for someone at a restaurant I order a beverage and say that I am waiting for the other party to arrive before ordering food. I can see where if I ordered nothing or water, after a time, depending on the place, they would not believe that.

    We had a discussion on here once about etiquette in restraints and how if one person is taking up a table by themselves, and then another party joins them, it would be polite to at least order a coffee or another type of beverage.
    It would be worth looking into to see if this manager had ever asked white loiters to leave the store. If he or she had, that would probably neutralize the racial bias claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Nonsense. Cops make decisions about what is and isn't worth their efforts all the time.
    They do not have discretion when it involves trespassing. The owner of the property, or the staff, will win that every time. The cops cannot force a person to allow another on their personal property or business. An exception to personal property would be if the other party claimed residency and then the cops do have to say 'ok, now this is a civil matter' and leave w/o taking sides, unless one person is being violent.

    There is no exception at a business. There are no circumstances under which a cop can say Sorry, Starbucks, or whatever business, I have decided this person has a right to be here'

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    I read a few articles and heard the police tell the story of what happened but I missed was when the men first told the barista, they were waiting for a friend.

    Anyone know at what point the men made it clear they were waiting for a friend?

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    News is now reporting that the Starbucks manager is no longer on his job.
    Last edited by DemoWhip; 16th April 2018 at 02:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/ampht...?noredirect=on

    Apparently the two were real estate agents waiting for a friend. Some of the white customers have said that they never had the police called on them while they waited for someone else to arrive before ordering.
    If I were the police arriving at the scene the first thing I would have asked the owner is "have you explained to these persons that if they are not patrons of the store and not purchasing something they need to move on?" If he responded no I would say you need to do that before I'm getting involved. If they buy something then things are fine, if he moves along things are fine. If he tells you he isn't buying anything and is not going anywhere, then I will get involved, not before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    If I were the police arriving at the scene the first thing I would have asked the owner is "have you explained to these persons that if they are not patrons of the store and not purchasing something they need to move on?" If he responded no I would say you need to do that before I'm getting involved. If they buy something then things are fine, if he moves along things are fine. If he tells you he isn't buying anything and is not going anywhere, then I will get involved, not before.
    Mr. Pragmatist,

    That is exactly what the police officers asked. Then the police asked the gentlemen to move on. And when they refused, they were arrested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Yet another reason to avoid Starbucks.
    Yes, Damn those Starbucks Right Wing Racist Coffee Shops!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    By the time the cops get there, it's probably a little late to buy a muffin.
    Not if I were the cop. I'd say you buy something and you can stay, you don't and you leave, either in cuffs or peaceably, your choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    If I were the police arriving at the scene the first thing I would have asked the owner is "have you explained to these persons that if they are not patrons of the store and not purchasing something they need to move on?" If he responded no I would say you need to do that before I'm getting involved. If they buy something then things are fine, if he moves along things are fine. If he tells you he isn't buying anything and is not going anywhere, then I will get involved, not before.
    Or they could have looked around the store and asked if the store manager had validated that every single person there had bought something. How long ago? How much time does the average person who walks in there have to order something before being asked to leave. Or they are black, is this about race? What if their friend does come in and then they order a coffee? Does this action apply to anyone and everyone that walks in the store? Ask patrons. Stall. The cops should have been smart enough to know that this was a trap for them and they walked right into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius the God View Post
    Or they could have looked around the store and asked if the store manager had validated that every single person there had bought something. How long ago? How much time does the average person who walks in there have to order something before being asked to leave. Or they are black, is this about race? What if their friend does come in and then they order a coffee? Does this action apply to anyone and everyone that walks in the store? Ask patrons. Stall. The cops should have been smart enough to know that this was a trap for them and they walked right into it.
    It is not reasonable to expect the police to carry out a civil court trial when they are called onto the scene.

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